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Current name of county

I know that Caernarvonshire is an obsolete name, but I cannot find what the name of the current county is. Can someone please fix that? -- llywrch 00:47, 11 December 2002 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling

moved from Talk:Archaeology

Hillfort or Hill fort? I created the former not thinking to search for the pre-existing latter. Now I need to merge and also include a redirect from 'hill-fort'. Has anyone got strong feelings about the rendering? My (British) Dictionary of Archaeology and the EH Monument Class Descriptions Thesaurus say it should be one word (which was why I got stuck into Hillfort) but various other books of mine have it as two. Which one should be the 'homepage' heritage fans? adamsan 18:38, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

PS the hill fort entry has inconsistent spelling anyway so I'd like to get an idea of what the standard wikispelling should be. adamsan 18:42, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting one. All my instincts as an English speaker say "hill fort", yet somehow "hillfort" looks better. I suppose it comes down to a "hillfort" being a specific archaeological feature, whereas a "hill fort" could be any old fort on a hill. Er... does that help? Deb 21:39, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that the prior existence of the article at hill fort, and the absence of even a redirect at hillfort, indicates weakly that the former spelling is the better one. On the other hand, a Google search for "hill fort" returned 42,000 hits, compared to 154,000 for "hillfort"; in addition, some of the hits for the two-word spelling were probably extaneous. P.S: The earlier article is quite Britain-centric. I know nothing about hillforts, so I can't help fix that problem. --Smack 22:55, 10 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the entry is anglocentric, especialy considering how international the concept of a high-up, fortified site is. The spelling isn't a big issue and in the meantime, once the redirects are all setup, I shall try to contribute to making hill fort a bit more cosmopolitan adamsan 13:09, 11 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

As the one who wrote the original hill fort article, I have to agree that it was Anglocentric. I blame that on my sources, & give my thanks to adamsan's article I have tried to lessen the bias towards Britain. (More contributions are always welcome.)

And FWIW, the Ordnance Survey's Field Archeology in Great Britain (5th ed., 1973) uses the form "hill-fort", although the captions of its illustrations use "hillfort". -- llywrch 01:10, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Shall this discussion be moved to talk:Hill fort? --Smack 04:40, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

moved adamsan 20:58, 12 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I'm rather amused that you continue to add to the article at this location, considering that the preponderance of evidence seems to point to Hillfort as the preferable spelling. Note that your activity only complicates the situation, because if this page is turned into a redirect to Hillfort, its page history will be all but lost. --Smack 17:26, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Curses. I'd wrongly got it into my head that llywrch had merged it all into hill fort. As nobody was complaining and having just fought my first battle over inter alia, henge. I was happy to leave it at hill fort and work with that. So, do we move it or not? adamsan 18:27, 20 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

I'm all for moving it. --Smack 23:39, 27 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Since no one in the last 2 weeks has opposed the idea of making Hillfort into a redirect, I decided to be bold & do it. Hope no one gets too upset about it. -- llywrch 01:45, 28 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

The definitive list for how all British site types should be spelled Monument Type Thesaurus published by the Forum on Information Standards in Heritage. This is the list used by all of the HERs and the NHLE. This has hillfort as the preferred term. I have now put this in the Nomenclature section. Shaun Sheep (talk) 08:49, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do Motte and Bailey castles count as hillforts (or even hill forts) Neonchameleon — Preceding undated comment added 21:13, 15 June 2004 (UTC)[reply]

A motte and bailey has a man-made mound rather than being on a natural hill so I'd say it doesn't conform. Someone mentioned acropolises (acropoleis?) earlier though and I'm wondering if it's possible to differentiate between them, and citadels for that matter, and the hill fort. adamsan 22:23, 15 June 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Lithuanian

i find the stated derivation of the lithuanian word very odd. why would lithuanian, a slavic language, take the roots of any words from english? moreover, i don't recognize either of those roots from modern, middle or old english. explanation please. Toyokuni3 (talk) 02:50, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]