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Q1: Why is Grover Cleveland listed as the 22nd AND 24th President? It doesn't make sense for him to be counted twice!

A1: It's how the U.S. government has always done it. We can only use verifiable material from reliable sources, and all of the sources list Cleveland as the 22nd and 24th President. It's not up to us to develop new numbering systems.

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Restrictive / Non-Restrictive Clause

[...] the only president in American history to serve two nonconsecutive terms in office from 1885 to 1889 and from 1893 to 1897.

A COMMA (or a colon) SHOULD BE INSERTED - AFTER THE WORD "OFFICE." Otherwise, the sentence appears to be claiming that Cleveland was the only president to serve two nonconsecutive terms IN THOSE PERIODS OF TIME.

Interpresidency

Can we refer to the period between Cleveland’s two terms as his “interpresidency”? 76.170.147.28 (talk) 06:52, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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50.172.181.18 (talk) 10:43, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

THE PRECEDED BY IS INCORRECT.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 11:55, 21 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change in introduction

The introduction to this article used to state "Cleveland has been praised more recently for honesty, integrity, adherence to his morals, defying party boundaries, and effective leadership and is typically ranked in the middle to upper tier of U.S. presidents." On January 23, 2025, this was suddenly and inexplicably changed to "Cleveland is typically ranked as an average or below-average U.S. president, due to his handling of the Panic of 1893 and the legacy of the Dawes Act." I'm curious. Who made the change and why? Jimknutt (talk) 17:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Everything in the lead paragraphs is supposed to be a summary of, and/or supported by, something in the body of the article. In some other articles about Presidents that I have looked at, the body has a section titled "Legacy" or some such, that cites historians or polls to discuss how the person's tenure as President was evaluated after it ended (and after he died). Then the lead has a sentence or two summarizing this. But this article doesn't have such a section, and both the old and new versions that you quoted from the lead are entirely unsupported by anything in the body. Bruce leverett (talk) 01:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then neither should be in there. Jimknutt (talk) 14:43, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Living grandchildren

@GN22: Cleveland's living grandchildren are not the "oldest living presidential grandchildren". Wikipedia is already claiming that honor for Eleanor Roosevelt Seagraves, born 1927; and you can find at least five more in List of children of presidents of the United States, as well as at least two who were born between 1946 and 1952 and hence are older than one of Cleveland's living grandchildren but not older than the other.

The actual distinction we are talking about here is that Cleveland has living grandchildren, but no president before him has any. I am having trouble finding a way to say this that is both succinct and makes it sound interesting, so I have not tried to correct your text, but you are welcome to do so. Actually, perhaps this is just silly trivia; now that Tyler's last living grandchild has died, it's just not so amazing or interesting that Cleveland, who was president 50 years after Tyler, has living grandchildren. But I leave that judgment to other editors. Bruce leverett (talk) 00:58, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]