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For Gdańsk, use the name Danzig between 1308 and 1945
For Gdańsk, use the name Gdańsk before 1308 and after 1945
In biographies of clearly German persons, the name should be used in the form Danzig (Gdańsk) and later Danzig exclusively
In biographies of clearly Polish persons, the name should be used in the form Gdańsk (Danzig) and later Gdańsk exclusively.
For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names, e.g. Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) or Gdańsk (Danzig). An English language reference that primarily uses this name should be provided on the talk page if a dispute arises.
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Origin	1,381	1,381
History	2,936	2,936
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History	58	63,098
Ancient history	1,808	1,808
Early Poland	3,025	3,025
Pomeranian Poland	3,512	3,512
Teutonic Order	6,645	6,645
Kingdom of Poland	12,594	12,594
Prussia and Germany	5,561	5,561
Free City of Danzig and World War II	17,946	17,946
Post World War II (1945–1989)	7,444	7,444
Contemporary history (1990–present)	4,505	4,505
Geography	404	11,886
Climate	11,482	11,482
Economy	3,273	3,273
Main sights	141	14,934
Architecture	11,495	11,495
Museums	2,440	2,440
Entertainment	858	858
Transport	7,268	7,268
Sport	4,598	4,598
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Twin towns – sister cities	907	907
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People	49	49
See also	475	475
Notes	24	24
References	33	33
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External links	1,092	1,092
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Pronunciation

I don't know Polish, but I came here to figure out how to same the name of this city because Gd is a bit difficult to say with English consonants. I still have no idea, but I got to write about my experience for a moment.

no rebellions? and where is 1302? and payment?

Where is the mention of the site's rebellions in 1030 in 1090?

And, if I'm not mistaken, the Order entered the city in 1302 to stop the rebellion against Polish rule. This isn't even included in the write up. Why only 1308? The events of 1302 set up 1308 in every way. It's only then that representatives in the city reach out to Brandenburg and representatives of the Polish lobby call on the Teutonic Order again.

The other detail missing is the issue of payment. The article jumps right into the massacre claim coming from the Polish lobby, where is the issue of payment for the services performed by the Order?

Also, where is the issue of the Knights offering to pay for the land, but claiming Poland didn't control it and declaring that it will pay Brandenburg?

These are key developments in the history, instead the only thing the article seems to care about is "muh 10,000", which is an entire paragraph of text.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1002:A012:CAEF:FCBE:CDDA:B5F7:7C27 (talk) 00:50, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gdańsk Shipyard photo in the infobox collage

I cropped the image and it now fits best as possible. It's one of the most important landmarks of Gdańsk. And it adds diversity to the collage. Why remove it?

Chick Pea Corea (talk) 23:25, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

pinging @Merangs Chick Pea Corea (talk) 23:27, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How is this dark, uneven and blurred image depicting a landmark? This is pure Wikipedia:Disruptive editing on your part and I will escalate it if you do not cease. It's not that I am against your contribution, but it is not constructive and the imagery you propose is not good (in my opinion). I have repeatedly asked you, with discussion, to stop. Merangs (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You think you have ownership over all Poland-related pages? You don't. And Assume Good Faith, otherwise you're breaking WP:AGF. I will level the image out promptly. Chick Pea Corea (talk) 21:24, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have leveled out the picture. I think Gdańsk Shipyard absolutely must be included for two reasons: significance and diversity of imagery in the infobox collage. What picture would suit you if not this one? Chick Pea Corea (talk) 21:32, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chick Pea Corea: - This image (nr 2) is much better in my opinion. It can replace the Westerplatte photo which is seldom nice and doesn't really illustrate the place, but rather a communist monument far from the city's core. Moreover, this outcome would also enlarge the other images which are now quite small and barely visible, which is a shame. Please let me know your thoughts. Merangs (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking about it, but you'd have to crop it. However I feel the 1st still better captures the Shipyard itself. I'd leave the Westerplatte pic and in general I'd leave everything, though the Shipyard image could be swapped (in the same place) if you cropped your pic up real good. The lower the image, the bigger the mid-row images Chick Pea Corea (talk) 22:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The 1st image is of very poor lighting, one can barely see anything and it distorts the place. It could show a heat/power station and it would be believable (which I think it does in the background). The images in the current configuration/collage are much too small, with Gdańsk's most important sites not being visible. That's because there are too many. The Westerplatte image can be moved into the "History" section where it appropriately belongs with the right caption. Merangs (talk) 22:11, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're talking about the grain in the image? If you crop your pic neatly, it'll take it. As for kicking some collage images out, I think Westerplatte should stay as it serves an educational purpose, informs people. The Mannerist Armoury and the Neptune Fountain can be relegated to the sections below, though. Chick Pea Corea (talk) 22:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually I have an idea, just remove the Mannerist Armoury and relegate it to some section below. I'll apply it. Chick Pea Corea (talk) 22:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's a shame that such a good image of Gdańsk's great architectural landmark was replaced by a poor and dark image of a non-operative industrial base. I do not see this as constructive and I feel that it needs to go to the original at this stage. Please seek Wikipedia:Consensus and RfC. In the meantime, I will revert to the original. Merangs (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just use the second one? I'm not sure I understand the big problem here, it looks really nice. 50.235.121.106 (talk) 17:22, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neptune's Fountain or Neptune Fountain?

Which is the correct translation? Fontanna Neptuna implies it's a fountain with a depiction of Neptune, does it not? I don't think its name in Polish suggests Neptune somehow "owns" it. So a more accurate translation would be "the Neptune Fountain" wouldn't it? Chick Pea Corea (talk) 02:38, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not mind either. I am only in disagreement with the shipyard picture which is of poor quality. Merangs (talk) 19:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have leveled it out. Chick Pea Corea (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Self-contradicting History section

"In Polish documents, the form Gdańsk was always used. The Germanised form Danzig developed later, simplifying the consonant clusters to something easier for German speakers to pronounce."

This beginning for the second paragraph is in direct contradiction to the paragraph leading up to it which lists historical name variations. This contradiction is further emphasized when following the sources provided 19-24 downstream. We are provided a German name variation which is 10 years younger than the Polish name, and while 23 alleges simplification of consonants this is not being substantiated. 2A02:1210:1C27:2900:18CB:3B8F:9B38:8D61 (talk) 17:16, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]