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The result of the move request was: not moved. There is no consensus for this move. We determine consensus based on strength of arguement and the proposer gives no arguement why French Hill Junction attacks is the common name even if it is more accurate. On the other hand the opposer gives evedience for the current title being the common name. Consensus is weak given the lack of participants but given that this has now been open a month I think it's the best we're going to get. Dpmuk (talk) 13:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

French Hill attacks → French Hill Junction attacks — These attacks (mostly) didn't take place in French Hill, but at the junction commonly known as "French Hill Junction" - which is out side of French Hill. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:54, 22 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Google [1] [2] gives me no ghits at all for the proposed title, but 824 for the existing title and all seem relevant (your results may vary). In the absence of any evidence for the common usage of the more "accurate" name, the move must be rejected in terms of WP:AT. The article text is the place to point out the actual location of the attacks. Andrewa (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Wording of the Hamas attackers should be changed from "terrorist" to "militant" to ensure neutrality by Wikipedia. Unless Wikipedia is also ready to label IDF members involved in attacks on civilians as terrorists too. From: "In July 1993, a car was hijacked in the junction by a Hamas terrorist, and the woman driving the car was killed."

To "In July 1993, a car was hijacked in the junction by a Hamas militant, and the woman driving the car was killed." RealFactChecker101 (talk) 01:27, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Hi RealFactChecker101, Wikipedia does not independently determine which groups are considered terrorist organizations; it follows the designations made by reliable, authoritative sources. Hamas is officially designated as a terrorist organization by numerous governments and international bodies, including Australia, Canada, the European Union, Israel, Japan, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States. In contrast, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), regardless of one’s views on their actions, are not designated as a terrorist organization by any of these entities.

Describing members of Hamas as "terrorists" in contexts involving deliberate attacks on civilians is consistent with these official designations and with reliable sources. Replacing "terrorist" with a more neutral term like "militant" would obscure this factual distinction and risk misrepresenting the language used by high-quality sources.

Therefore, I will not implement this requested change. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you. Please have a look at MOS:TERRORIST and also at the consensus at Hamas and October 7 attacks. These very clearly say "militant" instead of "terrorist". Laura240406 (talk) 13:48, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Laura240406 for pointing this out. I was not aware of this. Lova Falk (talk) 14:36, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]