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On 4 April 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from Emirate of Diriyah to First Saudi state. The result of the discussion was moved.

The map

Why does this map not include southern Najd? 46.184.88.188 (talk) 06:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Because it wasn't controlled by the Al Saud. Compare with this reliable source. DeCausa (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@AboSalamah I've reverted your map addition per this source 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AboSalamah will you see this source shown by @DeCausa first please before reverting me again? I am not reading the entire book that you used as a source without providing the pages. Let alone that that book was published by a saudi uni (King Abdulaziz University) 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 06:26, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Abo Yemen I've read it, doesn't make the source I provided any less more correct

And what does it being published from a Saudi university have to do with anything? It also gives its sources, you should read it a little you'll get to the point where it mentions its greatest extent AboSalamah (talk) 06:29, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

just give me the pages no? 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 06:32, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cinderella157 would be nice to have a 3o from you 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 05:50, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:VER is a core policy and giving a page (or similar) is reasonably necessary to verify the map. Verifying the map presently shown is the first question to resolve. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:52, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

File:The First Saudi State Greatest Extent.png is more reliably sourced than the current map (which is titled the "Great Emirate of Diriyah", also a made-up name), but @AboSalamah keeps on reverting it 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 12:10, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Both WP:VER and WP:VNOT apply. There is sufficient concern over the verifiability of the map to remove it at this point. If the information requested is provided and the map can be verified, then a consensus would need to be reached as to whether we use the "new" map in favour of the one used originally. I have therfore reverted to the "original" (the status quo) until such matters are resolved. Cinderella157 (talk) 01:31, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes it was controlled by Al-Saud. Ibn Bishr literally mentioned Southern Najdi clans paying tribute to First Saudi state. Jasmkssnksskskskskz (talk) 09:45, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't mean that it was part of the Emirate. The Al Saud had to pay tribute to the Ottomans at various time - Abdul Aziz did so from 1910.[1] It doesn't mean that a map of the Ottoman Empire should include Nejd. DeCausa (talk) 13:21, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]