Talk:Discography of West Side Story

Multiple and numerous

The word "multiple" is meaningless: It adds no information beyond the plural form of albums or recordings, which are always "multiple". If we know the number, we should say so: "16 albums". If we don't know the number, and it is about 3 or 4 one could say "a few"; about 5 to 7, one could say "several". If we know that it is "more than x", we could say so. Or, just let the plural form of albums or recordings do the work. Numerous is also not helpful. Bill may think that 3 is "numerous", but Carol may think that anything less then 30 is not numerous. "Various" is also usually not very helpful, except to vaguely indicate that things in a group are unrelated. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

That may be but this is the verbage used in multiple published partial discographies of West Side Story in which they indicate things like 'These are the important ones, but numerous others exist'. It is vague and intentionally so. I don't think we can numerate because no one to my knowledge has put together a comprehensive list of recordings; particularly foreign language ones of which there are many.4meter4 (talk) 15:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just someone's website. We are allowed to use good writing and meaningful words. Our MOS says "Strive to eliminate expressions that are... vague" MOS:WTW and "words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated." MOS:WEASEL. The essay Wikipedia:Vagueness sensibly says "When describing quantities of things, repetitions of events, or trying to convey statistical information in prose, specify the unit." -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:34, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

@Ssilvers "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not just someone's website." Seriously? Do you have to resort to condescending comments after all the collaborative editing we've done together, and the many productive years we've been working together? I think you know me better than that, and I deserve more respect from you. In this case, the vague wording reflects the published discographies in the academic literature such as Simeone (published 2017, Taylor & Francis) which uses similar wording in its discography of West Side Story. I agree it's not ideal, but WP:Verifiability is more important than any MOS guideline, and using language similar to the best published sources is best practice. If you want something better, see if you can locate a source for it. I've been unable to locate a published comprehensive discography with numeric specifics, and frankly I've caught errors in the few partial discographies that have been published. 4meter4 (talk) 22:26, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Seriously? Do you have to resort to tagging articles and accusing me of POV after all the collaborating we have done together? WP:V does not stop use from *leaving out* silly words and bad writing. The fact that a good source uses the words does not require us to use them. Again, see MOS:WTW and MOS:WEASEL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Sigh. Ssilvers we had a relatively minor disagreement at The Black Crook which we worked out. I'm sorry if you took the tag as a personal attack. It wasn't meant that way. I consider you a friend and enjoy collaborating with you. Can you please calm down. We don't need to be antagonistic with one another. As to the language is this discography, if you have something better to offer or better sources to improve it, by all means pitch in and lend a hand. We should enjoy working with one another on this. This is after all a hobby and you and I usually like working together. Have a good day and happy editing. 4meter4 (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your non-apology ("I'm sorry that you took that nuclear attack the wrong way"), though I disagree that it is worked out yet. It will be difficult for me to trust you again after you tagged the article again when I asked you not to. Yes I have offered you better language here. The letter "s" is all we need. We do not need to then add the meaningless repetition of the word "multiple" and the prohibited vagueness of "numerous". We are not required to quote the *worst* parts of our sources. We have different editorial standards than other kinds of publications. These standards make the encyclopedia less colorful in some ways, but clearer and more accurate. We do not need to agree on everything, but to tag an article with the POV tag *during a disagreement that is in progress on the talk page was an inexcusable personal attack that I do not understand. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:43, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

I think you are blowing this thing out of proportion and taking things personally that were not meant to be personal attacks. I see tagging as a normal process/procedure when issues of neutrality are raised in order to facilitate the WP:CONSENSUS process. Placing tags isn't a personal attack and it isn't a "nuclear" action. It's just a tag meant to attract others to a talk page discussion, and/or inviting other editors to address a problem through editing. It's primary purpose is to attract more editors to a talk page discussion about an issue, or promote editing in a particular direction for article improvement. Regarding the placement and removal of tags, I would say that typically removing tags when an issue is currently being discussed on the talk page is rude as it communicates being dismissive of the concerns being raised, and it runs counter to WP:CONSENSUS policy as it removes notification about an on-going talk page discussion. The fact that you chose to remove the tag when the problem was still extant in the article and there was on-going dialogue about that issue on the talk page was not ok. See WP:DONTRT. Regardless, I'll keep in mind that tagging bothers you and try and work a different way when we interact to avoid bruised feelings. Again, I enjoy collaborating with you, and nothing I did was intended to A. Insult you. B. Hurt your feelings. or C. Communicate disrespect. I am not going to apologize for placing the tag because that is what one does when there is a discussion involving WP:POV policy as a matter of normal procedure. I would do the same thing with any other article where a POV concern has been raised as a matter of procedure. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 01:13, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Not normal. You already knew who you were talking to about the issue. Just go to the Talk page and have a conversation. That is what friendly collaborators do. Not slap insulting, aggressive templates on the article that imply that the article has a major problem when, actually, the addition of another ref would solve the problem easily. Nor is edit warring. Once I had removed your tag (and left an edit summary stating why I opposed it) if you still felt that there was a problem that need to be addressed, you should have taken it to the Talk page per WP:BRD. I dont want to hear another word about this, and, frankly, I didn't read your long paragraph above, as it is just painful and annoying. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

I wish you well. Have a good night.4meter4 (talk) 04:09, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Copied from West Side Story main article

Here is content from the Recordings section of the main article that I am moving here for your use. I have deleted the content that seems to duplicate things you already have in this discography.

• In, 1965, RCA Camden released a record, West Side Story Och Stoppa Världen Jag Vill Stiga Av!, with the original Swedish cast.
• In 1966, Philips Records released a record, West Side Story / Porgy and Bess with the original German cast.
• In 1967, Polydor Limited released a record, West Side Story / Mary Poppins with the German studio cast.
• In 1977, Express released a record, West Side Story with the Original Tokyo Cast.
• In 1995, Nuova Carisch released a CD, West Side Story - Versione Italiana with the Italian Studio Cast.
• In 1996, RCA Victor released the tribute album The Songs of West Side Story featuring new versions of the songs from the musical sung by popular music stars, including: "The Jet Song" sung by Brian Setzer; "Cool" sung by Patti Austin, Mervyn Warren, and Bruce Hornsby; "A Boy Like That" sung by Selena; "I feel Pretty" sung by Little Richard; two versions of "Somewhere" performed by Aretha Franklin and Phil Collins; "Tonight" sung by Wynonna Judd and Kenny Loggins; "America" sung by Patti LaBelle, Natalie Cole and Sheila E.; "I Have a Love" sung by Trisha Yearwood; and "Rumble" performed by Chick Corea Elektric Band and Steve Vai's Monsters. Proceeds from the sale of this album benefit the Leonard Bernstein Education Through The Arts Fund, the NARAS Foundation and The Leonard Bernstein Center at Nashville, Tennessee.
• In 1996, Endemol Entertainment released a CD, West Side Story Hoogtepunten Uit De Nederlandse Versie, with the original Dutch cast.
• In 1997, Gazell Music AB released a CD, Svensk Jubileumsversion av West Side Story with the Swedish Cast.
• In 1997, Multisonic released a CD, West Side Story, with the original Czech cast.
• In 2002, Naxos Records released a CD, West Side Story (The Original Score), with Kenneth Schermerhorn conducting the Nashville Symphony orchestra and Mike Eldred as Tony.
• A 2007 tribute album entitled A Place for Us marking the 50th anniversary of the show. The album features cover versions previously recorded and a new recording of "Tonight" by Kristin Chenoweth and Hugh Panaro.
• A 2007 recording was released by Decca Broadway in honor of the musical's 50th anniversary. Authorized by The Bernstein Foundation in New York, the album features Hayley Westenra as Maria and Vittorio Grigolo as Tony. It was nominated for the Grammy Award for Best Show Album.
• A 2013 concert released the tribute album The Songs of West Side Story featuring new versions of the songs from the musical sung by popular music stars, including: "The Jet Song" sung by Brian Setzer; "Cool" sung by Patti Austin, Mervyn Warren, and Bruce Hornsby; "A Boy Like That" sung by Selena; "I feel Pretty" sung by Little Richard; two versions of "Somewhere" performed by Aretha Franklin and Phil Collins; "Tonight" sung by Wynonna Judd and Kenny Loggins; "America" sung by Patti LaBelle, Natalie Cole and Sheila E.; "I Have a Love" sung by Trisha Yearwood; and "Rumble" performed by Chick Corea Elektric Band and Steve Vai's Monsters. Proceeds from the sale of this album benefit the Leonard Bernstein Education Through The Arts Fund, the NARAS Foundation and The Leonard Bernstein Center at Nashville, Tennessee.

@Ssilvers Thanks for this. I am going to strike entries as they are added to the discography page.4meter4 (talk) 16:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

2 Websites with almost all the albums ever released and with info

Here is a website with almost every album/recording listed on it with info. https://www.sondheimguide.com/wsscastrec.html and here is another one https://castalbums.org/shows/West-Side-Story/386/ Name13013 (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2025 (UTC)