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  • Comment: This was submitted a little over a week (created on May 4 but submitted on May 12) but I wasn't sure was any flexibility on that. But it has expanded 5x since May 5 so maybe that is good enough to qualify.
Created by Remember (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Remember (talk) 21:01, 12 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]

  • Comment. @Remember: I can only speak for myself, but I don't see the submission date as the major problem. The article needs a lot of work to meet DYK and I wouldn't pass it in its current state. You could try to do a marathon cleanup session like you did before, but you would have to put a lot of time and energy into fixing this from where I stand. Perhaps you can start by replacing the massive number of quotes with simple paraphrasing. I would say that half of the quotes should not even be there because they should be easily paraphrased. Then you've got the problem of the small sections with one or two sentences. The sourcing is high quality, so that's good, but the content needs to be written for Wikipedia using house style. Viriditas (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Ok. I think I can do that. Is there a time frame that this needs to be accomplished by? Remember (talk) 21:13, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:DYKTIMEOUT. Viriditas (talk) 21:39, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Ok. I think I have time. Remember (talk) 22:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: What about now? Remember (talk) 16:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: Using a hatnote, the lead section, or a series sidebar, try to figure out how to immediately tell the reader how this fits into the larger topic. You've currently got deportation of Americans from the United States but it should be linked at the top in the lead or as a hatnote or as a series template. In turn, it should be made clear right away that this is part of the larger topic, deportation in the second presidency of Donald Trump, which depends on the interpretation of the laws discussed at deportation of Americans from the United States. You may also want to compare this to other kinds of deportations linked at activist deportations in the second Trump presidency and possibly list of immigration raids in the second Trump presidency. All I'm trying to say is place the entire subject you are writing about in the appropriate context for a reader who knows nothing about the subject. The background and the lead section might be a good place to briefly do this. Your background section uses voice that is less than ideal and represents a kind of breaking news rather than encyclopedic house style. Try to reframe this as if you are writing about it 20 years from now (even though it is happening now). Viriditas (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Will do!
@Viriditas: Tried to fix the issue you raised. Remember (talk) 02:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: You're definitely on the road to improvement and you're headed in the right direction. However, please go back and read the article again. It needs more revisions. Focus on one section at a time. Viriditas (talk) 02:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Tried again. Remember (talk) 02:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: The article is looking much improved and presentable. I think you're at a new stage now, where you just need to pluck and prune and you should be done. So go back through now and delete anything that looks like it doesn't belong. Viriditas (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Will do! Remember (talk) 20:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: Ok. I think it looks good now, but I can prune more if you think some sections are too big.Remember (talk) 14:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Remember: You're missing a citation in the first paragraph of this section. I suspect it was previously sourced, in which case you need to re-add the citation that disappeared. Viriditas (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Done. Remember (talk) 00:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: Take a close look at the series of edits I just made and try to implement that style across the board. Viriditas (talk) 00:42, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Made further edits. Remember (talk) 01:08, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: Just removed move unsourced material.[1] Add it back with citations if you can. I don't want to fail this nom, but I might if this continues as it doesn't look like it is ready at this time. Please clean it up and make sure everything is cited. Viriditas (talk) 20:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Sorry. I hadn't added that material and thought it was cited. I'll look for anything that isn't cited. Remember (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: Please read through and review the entire article, not just the material you authored. Viriditas (talk) 20:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Done. Please let me know if there is anything else that needs to be done. Remember (talk) 13:57, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Adding preliminary review to get the ball rolling. I know I won't be able to approve a hook because I've made far too many edits trying to clean this up, but I do at least want to try moving this forward. @Remember: as much as I want to see you succeed, this nomination was not ready at the time it was submitted. You've still got issues in the article. Right now, the Earwig report shows problems.[2] Try to get in a habit of running that at the beginning. That report shows a failure to paraphrase Insha Rahman, so rewrite that. Viriditas (talk) 19:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for submitting something that was not ready for DYK. Won't happen again. And thank you for all your help in making this a much better article. I really appreciate it! If it fails DYK, so be it. Just trying to do my best to make it a good article. Also, I fixed the Insha Rahman issue. Remember (talk) 11:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: I see the article is rapidly changing. Please run Earwig's Copyvio Detector linked above. You will see two minor issues. Verbatim passages like "The criminal complaint against Hermosillo" and "The arrest report states that Lopez-Gomez said he was in the country illegally" should probably be paraphrased instead of copied from the source in toto. I suspect that others won't see this at a problem, but an effort should be made to write the material in our own words. Viriditas (talk) 23:06, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: Understood. Done. Remember (talk) 01:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Remember: There's a new problem with the Elzon Lemus section that was just added. Too much quoting and the phrase "on his way to work" is taken directly from the source. Try paraphrasing as much of the quotes as you can and rewrite "on his way to work" in your own words. Fix that, and then we are looking at only one hook, which frankly isn't all that ideal. Also, try coming up with other hooks as there's no guarantee others are going to like it. Viriditas (talk) 21:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New article

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Another person who was detained- [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna208794 Remember (talk) 04:24, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just added it @Remember. 📻NuclearSpuds🎙️ 07:06, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Remember (talk) 13:17, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dentention of US Marshall

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This is an interesting story with limited facts right now. But ICE detained a US Marshall for a period of time if anyone wants to add the info - https://tucson.com/news/local/border/article_2573f016-3596-4f32-93f7-7e99b6459675.html Remember (talk) 13:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Title

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Wouldn't it make more sense to title this article Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration - someone has to be detained before they're deported. Mikenorton (talk) 09:06, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. I think that makes more sense as a title but its not a big deal to me and I don't know how best to move a page to a new title. But no opposition from me on the rename. Remember (talk) 20:09, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks, a simple Move was all it took. Mikenorton (talk) 21:15, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! Remember (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite

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Trump has stated his administration is investigating whether there are legal ways to send U.S. citizen convicted of crimes to the maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) in El Salvador.

This is the wrong tense and framing. It is automatically out of date. It needs to be written as if you are in the future looking back at an event that has already occurred. "In MONTHDAYYEAR, the Trump administration began investigating legal ways to send U.S. citizens convicted of crimes to a maximum security Terrorism Confinement Center (CECOT) in El Salvador." You need to rewrite the entire article as if you are looking backwards in time. Viriditas (talk) 10:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Tried to fix this. Remember (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"SB 4-C" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect SB 4-C has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 18 § SB 4-C until a consensus is reached. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

More detentions to add

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More detention to add. I will get around to them when I can: [3], [4] Remember (talk) 16:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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