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On 6 February 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from 2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder incident to D.C. mansion murders. The result of the discussion was moved.

Rename to "Mansion Murders"?

The media seems to have seized on the moniker "Mansion Murders" for this event. Rename per WP:COMMONNAME? NickCT (talk) 19:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, possibly. But, the story is just gaining traction now. I don't think a common name is just yet established. Seems too early. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:03, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the name as simply "Mansion Murders" would be far too generic. If anything, it would need to be embellished at least a little bit. Perhaps "2015 Washington, D. C., mansion murders" or some such. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Joseph. I believe the title is good as it is now. SilverSurfingSerpant (talk) 22:07, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Mansion family murders" has a nice ring to it, for some reason. Though yeah, whether the maid counts as family in this day and age (or whether they're with the house, like in American Horror Story: Murder House) is a sticky issue.

"Washington mansion murders" seems specific enough. At least for the foreseeable future. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:51, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or "D.C. mansion murders", considering there are probably more mansions in the state of Washington. But "Washington, D.C.," is two commas too many for a good title. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:55, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@InedibleHulk, SilverSurfingSerpant, and Joseph A. Spadaro: - Fair enough. Sounds like the consensus is for not yet. Thanks for weighing-in.

Re "far too generic" - Yes. I think there have been a few other murders which we briefly dubbed "Mansion Murders". Perhaps this is the name journalists opt for whenever rich folk get knocked off. Of course, we don't yet have a Mansion Murders page, so I'm assuming we could let this incident be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. NickCT (talk) 15:47, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Sounds good. Looks like this is a "let's wait and see" situation. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:24, 26 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As it's not a proper title, like Maniac Mansion or "Money City Maniacs", it should be Mansion murders, if we go that simple route. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:23, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think the name of this crime has been now established as "DC Mansion Murders". To my knowledge this is the only case of a "mansion murder" in DC (if that's wrong please correct me). I would suggest a rename to "DC Mansion Murders". If necessary to distinguish from other Mansion Murders then the date 2015 could be added - but right now the title is not very helpful IMHO.TheBlinkster (talk) 18:04, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the current title (2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder) is not all that helpful. Are you suggesting "D.C. Mansion Murders" or "Washington, D.C., Mansion Murders"? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:43, 12 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The newspapers are calling it "D.C. Mansion Murders" (for example, see first line of this recent WaPo story http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/unexpected-choice-in-hiring-attorney-for-suspect-in-quadruple-killings/2015/06/21/fcc22c70-169c-11e5-9518-f9e0a8959f32_story.html). However, having lived for many years in that area, referring to the local area as "D.C." is more regional to that area - if you live inside or around the Beltway, you probably call it "DC" whereas many other parts of the country and world call it "Washington, D.C.". Since Wiki reaches a global audience, I would suggest "Washington, D.C. mansion murders" just so the location is crystal clear, and if necessary make redirects for "DC mansion murders". TheBlinkster (talk) 20:35, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Page move

(e/c) Joseph A. Spadaro, you should read the talk page before you do a page move. (especially in mainspace) And if there's an active rename discussion in progress then you should comment there before the rename. (even if that may occasionally be just saying what you're going to do) and now you have commented here but I believe that's the wrong order of operations. --Jeremyb (talk) 22:09, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I hardly thought that adding a grammatically correct comma was "controversial". Is it? If so, what is the controversy, exactly? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 22:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I saw that 2015 Washington, D.C. quadruple murder was moved to 2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder (with a comma). Do we normally include commas in article titles like this? I am not suggesting that the move is "controversial", I just want to make sure it complies with MoS and is consistent with similar pages. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:10, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I have always known, a comma should always follow the name of a state (or, in this case, the name of the district). See Wikipedia: Manual of Style#Commas. It says, quote,:

In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation. Dates in month–day–year format require a comma after the day, and after the year unless followed by other punctuation. In both cases, the last element is treated as parenthetical.

Incorrect:	He set October 1, 2011 as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma to meet his demands.
Correct:	He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands.

So, in that example, it is correct to place a comma after the word "Oklahoma". It is incorrect to leave the word "Oklahoma" with no comma following it. The same rule applies when the state name is abbreviated. And, also, for D.C. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 02:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speculation

There seems to be a heck of a lot more to this story that isn't being told in this article or in the media. I don't know how to cite it exactly, because what I'm hearing is all "word on the street" stuff. Apparently, acc. to what I've heard thru the grapevine, these murders were meant to silence someone who was about to blow the whistle on something big and it was only pinned on the accused suspect as a patsy. Apparently, again from first hand sources only, the real culprits were in the "alphabet agencies". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.140.84 (talk) 22:16, 14 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing should be added without being attributed to a reliable source -- Pemilligan (talk) 00:21, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Title

Shouldn't it be "murder", not "killing"? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm with you on this. Be Bold--Quisqualis (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Title (again)

The current article title is: 2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder incident. Why does the title have the word "incident" in it? Isn't 2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder a good title? What does the "incident" add? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 08:19, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I completely agree. The title is ridiculous and "incident" is only part of the problem. The "incident" is known as the D.C. Mansion Murders. It doesn't need to be so complicated. I'd go so far as to argue that "Washington" could be dropped. The idea that it's only known as D.C. regionally is preposterous. I'm pretty sure people in other parts of the world know that the capitol of the United States is abbreviated as D.C., but if the Wiki sticklers really need to include it, why not add "District of Columbia"? Let's throw in a few more commas while we're at it. Ugh, this sort of nonsense is exactly why I don't contribute to Wiki. Telcia (talk) 02:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misogyny

In the bullet points listing the victims: Describing Mr S as a prominent businessman, but then describing Ms S as simply his wife is misogynistic. For example, you would never describe Mr S as “husband to Ms S” with no mention of his career. Please address. 69.14.70.66 (talk) 04:47, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 6 February 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) CNC (talk) 19:39, 14 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder incident → D.C. mansion murders – Very few sources refer to this as the "2015 quadruple murder incident". By contrast, many refer to this case as the "D.C. mansion murders" or simply the "mansion murders", including several already included in the article.

WUSA, "DC Mansion Murders defendant found guilty on all counts"
FOX 5 Washington, "Daron Wint sentenced to 4 consecutive life-without-release terms in Mansion Murders case"
People Magazine, "Inside the D.C. Mansion Murders, When a Home Invasion Shattered a Family's Idyllic Life"
Good Morning America, "Mystery Surrounds DC Mansion Murders 1 Year Later". "It was the brutal slaughter of a wealthy family in their own home –- a frightening crime that came to be known as the D.C. mansion murders."
WTOP News, "No new trial for man convicted in DC ‘mansion murders’". "The man convicted of brutally killing four people, including a 10-year-old boy, in 2015 in a case that came to be known as the “mansion murders” will not get a new trial."
CNN, "Man convicted in ‘Mansion Murders’ more than 3 years after gruesome killings of family and housekeeper". "Dubbed the “Mansion Murders,” the investigation began after flames devoured the family’s $4.5 million mansion."
ABC News, "DC Mansion Murder: What Cops Found in the Car Suspect Was Traveling In". "New search warrant documents unsealed today in the case of the Washington, D.C., mansion murders..."
Washingtonian, "It’s Been a Year Since DC’s Mansion Murders. Why Hasn’t Anyone Else Been Arrested?". "In a city with a splashier tabloid-news culture, the so-called “mansion murders”..."

In a previous discussion started by @NickCT it was decided to wait and see whether a WP:COMMONNAME would develop in this case. Well, it's been several years, and it seems clear that this is it. TRCRF22 (talk) 16:48, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Either to DC mansion murders, or simply Mansion murders; seems like the moniker is used across a wide slew of RSs. It's possible a bit sensational, but it's obvious way, way more common than "2015 Washington, D.C., quadruple murder incident". Thanks to User:TRCRF22 for taking this question off the back burner after so long! 20:15, 6 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support name being DC mansion murders. There are a lot of notable mansion murders that are called mansion murders so I would oppose the title without the location. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:03, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agree that there are a lot of notable "mansion murders", but WP doesn't currently have a Mansion murders article. Why can these mansion murders be the WP:PRIMARY TOPIC? NickCT (talk) 15:48, 7 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We could probably make it a disamb page. I don't think any of the individual mansion murders are the primary topic, but definitely not this one. It is also a poor title per WP:NCE because it doesn't tell you anything about the event, when/where it happened. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a confusing statement. "Mansion murders" tells you they were murders that happened in a mansion. Adding "DC" only adds a general vicinity of the mansion. NickCT (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.