Talk:Claude Vautin
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Family and early life
[edit]This material below was 'culled' from the article soon after it was created (refer history). For those interested and who might be able to provide acceptable material on Claude's family and early life, the culled material is presented here on the Talk page. His early years and education are not well documented and at least this is a starting point.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 06:47, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
There have been a number of people in Australia, who had the surname Vautin, and some who had Claude,[1][2] Theodore,[3] and James[4] as family first names. Two of these, James Vautin (1798—1880) and John Vautin (1819—1876) were sons of James Theodore Vautin (1776—1857), of the Bank of England, and his wife Mary.[4][5][6] There was also another son, Claudius Vautin (1859—1882), who went to live in the USA.[7]
Claude Theodore James Vautin's birthplace, Adelaide,[8] suggests that he was the son of John Vautin (1819—1876), who by 1854 was a banker with the Union Bank of Australia, in Port Adelaide,[7][9] and his mother was Frances Vautin (c.1834—1886) nee Smith.[10][11] They had two sons, born in Adelaide in May 1855[12] and November 1856.[13] John Vautin, his likely father, was insolvent in 1865[14] and died, in 1876, by accidental drowning, at Ashfield in Sydney, where he was a clerk working for the Bank of New South Wales.[15][16][17][18] John Vautin's son, Ernest Stafford Vautin[16] (1856—1916), was Chief Draughtsman of the NSW Lands Department, when he died by suicide in August 1916, aged 59.[19][20][21][22]
Vautin was, therefore almost certainly, the eldest son of John and Frances Vautin, and was born in May 1855.[12] In 1881, his residence was in Rae-street, North Fitzroy, in Melbourne,[23] close to where the widowed Frances Vautin was living when she died in 1886.[11]
His later accomplishments attest to his ability in extractive metallurgy and chemistry, but the details of his educational history are obscure.
Vautin married Alice Primner (nee Long) (1861—1931), in 1884, in Victoria.[24][25] The inscription on Alice's headstone identifies her as a mother,[26] suggesting that she had at least one child. After his first wife died, he married Ida Lavinia Blackwood, in 1932, in Brighton; she died in 1936.[27]
Vautin died in the London Borough of Barnet, England. His body was cremated at Hendon Cemetery and Crematorium, on 17 January 1939.[27]
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- It's a good thing this was removed from the article. It's one of the worst examples of WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH, WP:SYNTH and spurious guesswork that I've seen in a while. - SchroCat (talk) 06:57, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for giving a reason why it should not be in the article. Guilty as charged; it does stray into original research. But it is a long way from being 'spurious guesswork', as would be apparent from following through the numerous references. Let's hope that there is a suitable secondary source somewhere out there that covers the same ground. What I do wonder though is, if I had been less transparent and just written it as facts (by not admitting to any uncertainty, no matter how slight), would anyone have noticed? Still rules are rules, and I try to comply. I would rather admit to some uncertainty, and have the work 'culled', than be responsible for false certainty. TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:01, 30 April 2025 (UTC)