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Serious NPOV issues regarding the shooting

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There are serious NPOV problems in the section about the shooting. Everything seems to be basically unsourced and the wording seems to suggest that the shooting was a conspiracy, and there's some clear editorializing in there. I'm not sure it can be fixed. Per WP:BLP I think the entire section should be scrapped and re-done. DrIdiot (talk) 21:58, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Japan"

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I removed this content:

Chen's and the Democratic Progressive Party are pro-Japanese, and look favorably on Japan's colonization of Taiwan, the issue of WW2 comfort women, and terrotiral disoputes between Taiwan and Japan ie, Diaoyu Islands, [1][2]

Rationale: it's WP:OR and editorializing, China Daily is not RS especially on Taiwan (see WP:RSP), and the first link does not make any direct statements about Chen himself, only his advisor Shi Wen-long, whose relevance is a bit of a stretch. DrIdiot (talk) 05:41, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also want to remark that the standards for WP:BLP are far higher. Need direct statements from Chen. DrIdiot (talk) 05:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ The Struggle Over “Comfort Women” in Taiwan: Historical Memory and Lack of Consensus. https://ketagalanmedia.com/2021/08/23/the-struggle-over-comfort-women-in-taiwan-historical-memory-and-lack-of-consensus/. {{cite book}}: External link in |location= (help)CS1 maint: location (link)
  2. ^ Young must not be fooled with false history. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/opinion/2015-08/06/content_21513387.htm: China Daily. {{cite book}}: External link in |location= (help)CS1 maint: location (link)

Political positions section

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Lots of cn tags from a decade ago. Going to clean up that section. Some removed material will be posted here. Here's the first:

Ancestral hometowns in Fujian in mainland China have been visited by DPP leaders and their families.[1][2]

Reason: not a relevant sentence to Chen himself. Also not really a political position? And the sources are opinion pieces. DrIdiot (talk) 09:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Chen's position on Taiwan's political status is that Taiwan is already an independent, sovereign nation named the Republic of China.[citation needed] This has the implication that a declaration of independence is unnecessary as Taiwan is already independent. This view point, however, is subject to change in each election campaign. At the same time, it also has the implication that the pledge by Chen to preserve the status quo or not change Taiwan's sovereign status would not preclude a declaration of independence but would preclude acceptance of the one China policy.[citation needed]

Some[who?] said that Chen's position on this issue was intended and to some degree succeeded in placating his pro-independence supporters without crossing any red lines that could trigger war with the PRC. His supporters saw these positions as creative and indicative of a willingness to compromise. Many of his critics[who?] (especially those from the Pan-Blue coalition) believed that his positions and actions showed that his seemingly conciliatory statements were merely a smokescreen to advance a hidden agenda of advancing de facto Taiwan independence.[citation needed] These suspicions appeared to arise from the actions of his KMT predecessor Lee Teng-hui who now readily admits to secretly[citation needed] trying to advance de facto Taiwan independence during his presidential terms.

President Chen admitted that he leans towards independence but his main position is opposition to adopting the One China principle since it prevents Taiwanese people from being able to decide upon their own future.[citation needed]

Rationale: per WP:BLP better to remove unsourced content. The first paragraph I've replaced. The second paragraph is kind of an opinion. If we could specific references some could be worth adding back in. The third seems a bit redundant. DrIdiot (talk) 19:02, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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In an interview in July 2005, Chen explicitly repudiated the position of Lee Teng-Hui that Taiwan / Republic of China and China / People's Republic of China are two different countries. He said, "The Republic of China on Taiwan and the People's Republic of China on the mainland are two separate countries with divided rule and do not exercise sovereignty over each other," he said. "Under the principle of popular sovereignty and self determination, we consider that the question of whether Taiwan should be united with China should be the decision of the 23 million people of Taiwan."[citation needed]

Reason: First, it's confusing what this is saying, and who is saying what. Also, not sure why it's relevant. Can't find source. DrIdiot (talk) 04:05, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Finding their Chinese 'roots'". Chinapost.com.tw. 2006-10-02. Retrieved 2017-01-07.
  2. ^ "Taiwan Communique no. 101". Taiwandc.org. Retrieved 2017-01-07.
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