Talk:Andrew Still (actor)/GA1

GA review

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Nominator: DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk · contribs) 05:52, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 10:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @DaniloDaysOfOurLives, I started this review below. I have some concerns about the sourcing of this article, which will probably require the removal of content. After that, we can evaluate what parts of the article have sufficient secondary sourcing to be notable enough to keep. IAWW (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi @DaniloDaysOfOurLives, the full review is below. I just had some concerns about lack of context in the prose. I was quite bold and fixed a lot of the smaller issues myself. Let me know if you have any issues with my edits. IAWW (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

Looks good, except some unnecessary detail needs to be cut per the point in Life and career. Prevailing narratives are more important, and I think you included these quite well in the lead. IAWW (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Life and career

Still returned to and did some small jobs for Scottish Theatre Company, including working as a receptionist, a janitor and a handyman, which Still was "thankful" for as it was "really humbling to not just sit back and go 'I'm an actor, acting is what I do' because a lot of the time it's a lot harder than it looks to act, but you need to pay the bills somehow.": This is very long and hard to read. Could you break it down to separate the ideas? IAWW (talk) 09:37, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

In 2014, Still portrayed Benjamin in one episode of Outlander. In 2015, Still portrayed Noah in the BBC comedy series Fried. That same year, he appeared as student Scott Fairchild in ten episodes of the tenth series of the British drama series Waterloo Road: Prose like this is essentially just a repetition of the list at the end of the article. To be included in the prose, these shows should be given context, otherwise they should be cut from the prose and just included in the lists. Generally if only primary sourcing can be found then there isn't going to be enough context to include it in the prose. I won't repeat myself, but this same point repeats itself several times. Could you add context or cut in the instances where the prose provides no more information than the list? Remember to also cut any you cut from the lead. IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

with Scott being involved in controversial storylines: "Controversial" is an opinion: attribute, cut or replace with fact. IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

He also acted in two workshops: What is a "workshop" in this context? IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Personal life

and missed several events at home, such as birthdays: Unnecessary detail IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Filmography

Looks good :)

Theatre

Looks good :)

Workshops

Looks good :)

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) Y

No issues

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

[1] is copied from this blog, which isn't a reliable source as the writer is not a subject matter expert. IAWW (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

[2] is a tabloid so all references to it must be removed per WP:BLPSOURCE IAWW (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

[5] is a tabloid

[11] is a tabloid

I don't see any evidence [16] is any more than a blog. IAWW (talk) 10:28, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey IAWW, I have removed the two blogs, which sucks as I believed they were reliable due to some of the interviews there but oh well. Regarding the tabloids, I was under the impression that they were okay because of WP:ABOUTSELF - in the article's DYK review (Template:Did you know nominations/Andrew Still (actor)), the 2 reviewers said that it was okay for this reason, so I assumed it was okay, particularly with the second source (now first) as the Daily Record has never had any issues with reliability as far as I am aware and is not regarded as partially reliable or anything on the sources board. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

@DaniloDaysOfOurLives, I empathize. To be honest, I agree that the Record should be reliable enough for this topic, however WP:BLPSOURCE explicitly states "The material should not be added to an article when the only sources are tabloid journalism". The Record is a tabloid, so unless I am reading this policy wrong, it is specifically prohibited.

I didn't consider that WP:ABOUTSELF could apply here, but I think it does now. Though, I think it only applies when the text is supported entirely by the direct quotes. It helps that two very experienced editors concur in the DYK.

So, is any material outside of the direct quotes in the tabloid sources used? If so, I'll request a third opinion on whether they are sufficiently reliable sources. Otherwise, I am happy to cite ABOUTSELF and continue the review with no reliability concerns. IAWW (talk) 19:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I went through the article and the only thing that is not quoted is the town he is from and his first play when he was five years old, but these are covered by other sources too, and the rest of the source that covers it is almost entirely an interview and so implies that these were things that he told them himself. I do think that ABOUTSELF applies here. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 02:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Great, thank you. I will finish the review as soon as possible. IAWW (talk) 08:12, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

[4a]: Y

[5]: Doesn't say anything about a haircut. You could remove this as unnecessary detail. IAWW (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

[10a]

[14]: Some original research here. The source doesn't support "Still made his stage professional debut when he portrayed various characters". IAWW (talk) 09:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

[12e]: Y

[4c]: Y

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) Y

Earwig finds nothing, and every source is online, so it is very unlikely to have missed anything.

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Covers his whole life. Any minor scope concerns will be addressed in the prose review.

Stable (Criterion 5) Y

Media Y

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Appropriately tagged

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

Two links are missing archives IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

The article used a lot of the same sentence structure ("Still did this... Still did that... Still then..."). This is not very good for sentence flow. IAWW (talk) 09:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Hey @It is a wonderful world:, I tried to implement your changes or fix things. I was not able to archive one of the sources though - I have tried several times to but it just won't allow me :( DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 20:19, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh I've had that before, don't worry about it. I'm happy with your improvements and I think this meets GA standards, so I'm going to pass it. IAWW (talk) 23:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

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