Talk:Ajyad Fortress

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the 550million figure dates from 2002, real cost of the Abraj al bait is 15 billions... YUL man (talk) 16:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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More sources on the destruction of the fort, which seems to have generated no web pages prior to being blasted to public awareness with some TNT.

Saudi Arabia Defends Razing of Fort by Suzan Fraser, Associated Press Writer at www.museum-security.org
The Minister Of Culture Condemns Saudi Arabia For Pulling Down ECYAD CASTLE by Republic of Turkey Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
Saudis hit back over Mecca castle at news.bbc.co.uk

--T.woelk (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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It’s not really an Ottoman citadel

1. Describing Ajiyad as an Ottoman citadel is historically inaccurate. Native Hejazi builders constructed it in 1780 under the orders of the native Hejazi Sharif of Mecca. The Ottomans did not even directly rule Mecca at the time; the Hashemites, nominal Ottoman vassals, were the ones ruling the region. Direct Ottoman control in the Hejaz began only after the Wahhabi-Ottoman wars in the 1820s. Its like calling the Mausoleum at Halicarnassus a “Persian site” because it was built by a vassal of the Persian empire. Such labeling is inconsistent and oversimplifies historical realities.

2. The page lacks reliable sources. One source is a BBC article, and the other is from an obscure news website, neither authored by historians nor citing historical scholarship. I have access to primary Hejazi sources on Ajiyad, written by 18th-century Hejazis, but my edits are likely to be removed because these sources are not in English. Iqjqhwuau (talk) 12:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]