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A fact from A Foreign Sound appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 February 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that A Foreign Sound includes a song that Caetano Veloso called "a fake American song written by a Brazilian", and a song he called "a fake Brazilian song written by Americans"?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/February. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/A Foreign Sound.

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 21:43, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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... that after the release of A Foreign Sound, Caetano Veloso called "Feelings" a "fake American song written by a Brazilian" and "The Carioca" a "fake Brazilian song written by Americans"?

Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/rockandjazzmusic/3620426/A-tropical-take-on-Kurt-Cobain.html

Reviewed:

Created by Cathodography (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Cathodography (talk) 20:36, 10 January 2025 (UTC).[reply]

Looks like an interesting album, I'll review this article! Leafy46 (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing: - Per the guidelines at WP:GENREWARRIOR, the genres in the infobox, MPB and world music, should either be supported by prose in the article, or by a citation in the infobox itself. "Love Me Tender" being listed as a "bonus track in the digital download" seems to be unsourced. The fact in the Legacy section also doesn't seem to be affirmed by the citation (it doesn't say that it was the first book published); I'd honestly suggest getting rid of the section altogether (since I'm not a big fan of one-sentence paragraphs/sections), but it should be okay as long as a different citation is added.
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems: - WP:DYKCOMPLETE notes that an article that is to appear on the front page should be "reasonably complete", so I'm going to be a bit picky (though hopefully not unreasonably so) and ask that a Personnel section be added into the page. All of the recent DYKs of albums include one, after all, and this site currently used in the article includes an full listing.

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - While I really like the content of this hook, I think that it should probably be re-phrased to put more emphasis on the fact that these songs are included on A Foreign Sound itself; as the hook currently stands, it reads more like he's simply giving critique on these two songs in a context unrelated to the album. See my overall comment for a bit more.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: For your first DYK nomination, this is a great job! Earwig shows 34.2% similarity, which is rather high but is considered "violation unlikely"; it could probably be reduced with a bit of work on the reception section (see WP:RECEPTION), but I'm not going to let that stop the DYK from proceeding. However, I have listed a few sourcing concerns which need to be addressed, and the hook may benefit from a bit of a re-write to emphasize the album itself (perhaps something along the lines of ALT0A: "... that A Foreign Sound includes a song that Caetano Veloso called "a fake American song written by a Brazilian" and a song he called "a fake Brazilian song written by Americans"?).

That could also work. Cattos ^💭 21:28, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also request that a personnel section be added to the article, in the spirit of WP:DYKCOMPLETE. I do understand that it's going to be quite a bit of work, so I'm not going to let this be the *only* thing which stops the article from moving forward if it comes to that, given that DYK articles are allowed to be of a lower quality than GA or FA. However, I believe it's a reasonable ask, because a personnel section is something which any album article is expected to have, and per WP:PERSONNEL the entire thing does not need to be included if it truly ends up being excessive. Sorry if this is a lot, but I have confidence that you can resolve these issues in a timely manner, and I hope that you're up for it! Leafy46 (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Leafy46: In editing the problems raised, I kept the Legacy section and replaced it with another reliable source that emphasizes that this is the first book in the series. I would also consider the Personnel section to be a pretty decent size and not excessive. Lastly, the genres in the infobox have been supported by references in the Musical style section. Cattos ^💭 21:28, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cathodography: Having looked through your edits, I believe that you've satisfactorily addressed my concerns. I have removed "rock" as a genre in order to better reflect the source (as he merely called it an influence on his music as a whole), but feel free to undo it if you think it's not an improvement.

Approving both the original hook and my minor adjustment above, which I've retroactively marked ALT0A (allowed per Note D in WP:DYKG, given that it is simply a restructuring of the original hook). Thank you for your fast work, and, once again, great job on your first DYK nom :) Leafy46 (talk) 05:59, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]