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This page is part of an Educational Project by students of LIUC, Italy, with a course page at: [1]https://outreachdashboard.wmflabs.org/courses/LIUC_-_Universit%C3%A0_Cattaneo/Digital_Technology_(October_-_December,_2024) . The users of the group are new to the Wikipedia platform, have completed mandatory Training for Students, and are learning to edit following Wikipedia rules. They are open to any advice on improvements of the page in conformity to Wikipedia requirements and guidelines, and any help useful for the enhancement of the page will be gladly accepted. The student Usernames are:

  • LIUCGiorgio
  • MyrtheLiucT2
  • LIUCChia.05
  • LIUCHéloïse2
  • LiucRiky
  • LIUCMaxiTeam2
  • LIUCandyGroup02

Issues or questions can be referred direct to the users or to their tutor @Limelightangel

Limelightangel (talk) 16:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Feedback 1/11/24

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@LIUCGiorgio, MyrtheLiucT2, LIUCChia.05, LIUCHéloïse2, LiucRiky, LIUCMaxiTeam2, and LIUCandyGroup02:
  • Note the header and footer markup code and create draft content between these two page elements. You need to move the markup for the draft page banner from the bottom back to the top of the page. The markup to move is for this banner: AfC submission|t||ts=20241025142410|u=MyrtheLiucT2|ns=118|demo=}}
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  • Note the following edit: "Contemporay vocal technique has been widely used internationally in a range of vocal pedagogy contexts, including the training and education of choirs and choral ensembles.[3][4]".
    • it uses the correct reference format for a thesis
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    • it uses the following link markup to remove a grammatical error in the linked text to create a piped link: vocal pedagogy, not Vocal pedagogy (the title of the linked page). See: Wikipedia:Piped_link
  • reference all content. The first paragraph and a later single sentence have no sources

Limelightangel (talk) 10:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this an actual recognized and definable term? I don't think so.

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@Limelightangel and User:MyrtheLiucT2 I'm not sure "Contemporary vocal technique" is a widely acknowledged term or phrase in the literature with a uniform meaning. The authors of the book and journal articles in question used in this article are referring to teaching technique for contemporary commercial music (CCM), and seems to be using the turn of phrase to simply refer to vocal technique as it used in in CCM. However, in looking at google books, "contemporary vocal technique" is also used to refer to a type of vocal technique used in contemporary classical music literature such as 20th century and 21st century operas and in the orchestral and chamber group concert literature of a particular type; differentiating a current approach to vocal technique as opposed to 18th and 19th century vocal pedagogy models. Those are clearly not CCM genre works, and are squarely within classical vocal music. The Grove Book of Opera Singers for example covers this view of the term as written about in journal articles by Jane Manning.

So... I'm not really sure this is the best title for this article because "contemporary vocal technique" can mean different things in different publications. I would think something like Vocal technique in contemporary commercial music or Vocal pedagogy in contemporary commercial music would be more appropriate. I note the CCM article already has some sections on this (logically as CCM is the term used by voice teachers who teach in this area), so this draft may in fact be a WP:CFORK of that page.4meter4 (talk) 17:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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