Draft talk:Adi Shapiro

Conflict of Interest Disclosure

I, User:Udi shapiro, am the father of Adi Shapiro. I have contributed to the editing and submission of this Wikipedia article about her. I am aware of Wikipedia’s conflict of interest guidelines and have not created new text myself. The text was created by an objective editor based only on publicly available information, and hence the article is written in a neutral and verifiable manner. I did the grunt work of collecting all references and making sure they are correct and the article is fully referenced, and prepared the draft for submission. I welcome review and further edits by uninvolved editors to improve the article’s quality and compliance with Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you. Udi shapiro (talk) 06:37, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Response to rejection feedback (June 27, 2025)

• Note: This response was submitted on 27 June 2025. Subsequent revisions and additions (including Femfestival win) are documented below.*

Thank you for your detailed feedback on the previous submission.

In response to the concerns about insufficient significant coverage in independent reliable sources, we revised and expanded the draft as follows:

1. Added mention that Dragonflies Indoors was selected for performance at the International Alliance for Women in Music (IAWM) Annual Concert in Cologne (Sept 2025), performed by Virago Symphony Orchestra, with references from New Music Engine and the IAWM official page. 2. Included participation in the She Lives Composition Master Class in Budapest, with her string quartet For What We Give performed by the Roman Quartet, referencing both the Purcell School Weekly Highlights and She Lives official announcement. 3. Repositioned the IAWM performance mention into the Career and Recognition section for logical flow, keeping the lead concise while demonstrating independent organisational recognition. 4. Added an external link to her public biography on New Music Engine for additional context. 5. Verified and consolidated all references, ensuring awards, performances, and selections are supported by independent, reliable, published sources.

We believe these revisions address the notability criteria for composers, demonstrating multiple international awards, performances by established ensembles, and selection for notable masterclasses and festivals.

We welcome any additional feedback or editorial guidance to finalise the article in compliance with Wikipedia standards.

Thank you for your review. Best regards, Udi Shapiro Udi shapiro (talk) 12:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Notability clarification under WP:COMPOSER criterion (updated)

Dear reviewers,

Thank you for your helpful feedback and time spent reviewing this draft.

I understand Wikipedia’s general notability guideline requiring significant independent secondary coverage. I would like to clarify that for composers, WP:COMPOSER criterion 4 provides a specific pathway to notability:

Composers may be notable if they have written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.

In the past year, Adi Shapiro’s works have been recognized internationally across multiple open-age competitions, including a **first prize win**:

• Femfestival (Italy) – Winner for Devotion, an open-age international competition for women composers.
• ORIENT/OCCIDENT Music Composers’ Competition (Ukraine) – Finalist for Dragonflies Indoors and Special Mention for Emergence. The competition is open age, anonymous submission, with finalists including established professional composers.
• Vienna Classical Music Academy International Composition Competition (Austria) – Awarded Promising Young Talent Prize for The Quiet Before the Storm. Although the prize acknowledges her age, the competition itself is open to composers of all ages with anonymous submission.
• IAWM Annual Concert selection (Germany) – Dragonflies Indoors was selected via an anonymous international call for scores open to women composers of all ages, to be performed by the Virago Symphony Orchestra in Cologne, September 2025.
• She Lives Composition Master Class (Budapest) – Distortion was selected for performance in this international masterclass program. The selection was competitive, based on compositional merit, open to composers of all ages, and anonymized.

Only two of her recognitions were in youth-specific categories (The Sound Ensemble High School category winner and North London Festival youth competition).

These recognitions:

• Cover five different compositions
• Were achieved in six separate competitions
• Spanned six international cities (Florence, Seattle, London, Vienna, Lviv, Cologne)
• And all (except North London Festival) used anonymous submission processes

I believe these achievements demonstrate that her works have been competitively recognized in multiple open-age, international competitions, fulfilling WP:COMPOSER criterion 4.

Thank you again for your time and expertise.

Udi shapiro (talk) 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Clarification regarding YouTube references

Dear reviewers,

Thank you for your ongoing feedback and care in reviewing this draft.

I would like to clarify the role of YouTube links in the current submission:

• The YouTube videos are not used as independent secondary sources to establish notability.
• They are included only as evidence of the existence and performance of the works.
• Each award or competition result cited in the draft is supported by a direct link to the official announcement page of the awarding organization, which is independent and reliable.
• In composition competitions, it is standard practice that performance recordings are provided directly to composers, who then upload them on their own channels. Therefore, the YouTube links function similarly to a portfolio rather than press coverage.

I hope this clarification is helpful. Please let me know if further adjustments are needed to ensure compliance with sourcing guidelines.

Thank you again for your time and expertise.

Best regards, Udi shapiro (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Post-resubmission explanatory note

Dear reviewers,

Since the previous rejection, the following substantive updates were made:

• Added Femfestival 2025 win – Documented Adi Shapiro’s first-place award at the international open-age Femfestival competition in Italy (June 2025), with reference to the official announcement.
• Updated lead and career sections – Incorporated Femfestival into her list of international recognitions, clarifying open-age competitive context.
• Added parental biographical details – Included mention of her parents’ professions and affiliations to align with standard biographical entries.
• Added internal Wikipedia links – For the Purcell School and Jerusalem Academy of Music and Dance.
• Ensured reference consistency – Consolidated duplicate references and streamlined formatting.

Thank you for your time and expertise in reviewing this updated draft.

Udi shapiro (talk) 22:53, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Feedback to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Composers

continuing the discussion there, summary:

• The article should have only independent reliable sources. YouTube is not one of them.
• References should not be in the lead, only in the body.
• A biography in prose is preferred to a list and table.
• Biographies of other composers should be consulted, - as it happens my first article was about a living composer, Graham Waterhouse, but take any of the masters of the past to compare.
• "Has written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers." - this still may indicate notability, and the question remains if the competitions where the composer was awarded, are "major" competitions, as only one has an article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, Gerda Arendt

Thank you for your detailed reply. For some reason, I was not alerted to it and only saw it now.

I understand and will try to follow and implement all your suggestions, except I would like one clarification:

I understand that YouTube videos do not constitute evidence for anything except their own existence. However, since composers retain copyright for works submitted to competitions, the competition organisers often provide them with the audio or video recordings of performances. Are you saying that a composer’s entry cannot include links to video performances of their works on their personal channel?

To be clear, these recordings are not used as evidence of winning any competition. The formal announcement of each prize is referenced from the official website of the awarding organisation. The videos simply offer readers the ability to listen to or watch the composer's works themselves.

Looking forward to hearing your feedback on this point.

Thanks again for your guidance.

~~~ Udi shapiro (talk) 23:04, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

YouTube videos cannot be references, but they can appear in an External links section. - I didn't ping you, because I was sure that you would have the draft on your watchlist. But perhaps nobody explained watchlist to you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:13, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. I understand now and will follow that practice.

Both the draft and talk page are on my watchlist – I’m not sure why I didn’t get the first alert, but I received all the others.

Thanks again for your guidance. I will share a revision that follows your guidelines once it is ready.

Best regards,

Udi shapiro (talk) 23:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)