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On 31 March 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved to Gününa Küne language. The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 31 March 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 15:51, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Puelche language → Gününa Küne language – "Gününa Küne" is used far more often in modern literature. I have not encountered one modern work which refers to Gününa Küne as "Puelche", excepting Glottolog. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:37, 31 March 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 09:49, 11 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 11:04, 19 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 05:34, 27 April 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Garsh (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

*and Ethnologue 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:39, 31 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The four entries upon the Puelche disambiguation page list "*Puelche people, an indigenous people of Argentina and Chile *Puelche language, spoken by the Puelche people *Puelche (wind), a dry wind of Chile *Puelches, La Pampa, a village in Argentina". If the nomination contends that the Puelche people spoke the Gününa Küne language, then such contention is not supported by 7 among the 11 other Wikipedias which carry the Puelche language entry. Thus, it is unlikely that English, which does not use accents and/or diacritics (other than occasionally for borrowed words) would use the proposed form, with two diacritics, as the preferable one, rather than the non-diacritic form used by many other languages. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 16:38, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In virtually all current academic literature that I have seen, "Gününa Küne" is the typical way of referring to the language, rather than "Puelche", which I encounter in older literature, and appears to have fallen out of use. It meets all criteria of WP:COMMONNAME, based on my evaluation. And "Gününa Küne" in this instance would probably constitute a borrowing from Gününa Küne itself. I believe that WP:OTHERLANGUAGEEXISTS may apply here, but in the context of pagenames rather than deletion. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:48, 12 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless I see some actual evidence of the claim used to justify the RM. --Cambalachero (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some examples of literature using "Gününa Küne" as the name:
- Viegas-Barros, José Pedro (1992). "La familia lingüística tehuelche" [The Tehuelche linguistic family]. Revista Patagónica (in Spanish) (54): 39–46.
- Campbell, Lyle (2024-06-25), "Indigenous Languages of South America", The Indigenous Languages of the Americas (1 ed.), Oxford University PressNew York, pp. 182–279, doi:10.1093/oso/9780197673461.003.0004, ISBN 978-0-19-767346-1, retrieved 2025-04-13
- Grondona, Verónica (2012). Campbell, Lyle (ed.). The Indigenous Languages of South America: A Comprehensive Guide. Erscheinungsort nicht ermittelbar: De Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-025803-5.
- Casamiquela, Rodolfo (1983). Nociones de gramática del gününa-küne. Paris: CNRS.
- Fernández Garay, Ana Valentina (directora); Malvestitti, Liliana Marisa; Díaz Fernández, Antonio Edmundo; Orden, María Emilia; Navarro, Herminia Elsa; Reynoso Savio, María Carolina; Diez, Marta Susana (2011-11-30). Lingüística descriptiva y tipológica de lenguas indígenas de Argentina, con énfasis en la región patagónica : mapudungun/ranquel, tehuelche o aonek'o ?a?jen, teushen, gününa küne, selknam, haush.
- "The ASJP Database - Wordlist Gununa Kune". asjp.clld.org. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
- "WALS Online - Language Gününa Küne". wals.info. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
- "The ASJP Database - Wordlist Gununa Kune". asjp.clld.org. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
- "Did you know Gününa-Küne is dormant?". Endangered Languages. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
- Gerzenstein, Ana (1968). Fonología de la Lengua Gününa-Këna. Cuadernos de Lingüística Indígena. Vol. 5. Buenos Aires: Universidad de Buenos Aires.
- Viegas Barros, J. Pedro (2005). "El gününa küne y las lenguas chon: ¿difusión o parentesco remoto?". Voces en el viento, Raíces lingüísticas de la Patagonia. Buenos Aires: Ed. Mondragón. pp. 138–152. ISBN 978-9871163045.
- Fabre, Alain (2005). "Chon". Diccionario etnolingüístico y guía bibliográfica de los pueblos indígenas sudamericanos (PDF).
"Gününa yajüch", which refers to the language in Gününa Küne itself is also used, though not as much which is why I propose moving to "Gününa Küne".
- Orden, María Emilia (2018). Descripción de la lengua günün a iajüch (PDF) (phd thesis). Universidad Nacional del Sur.
- Orden, María Emilia (2008), "La frase nominal en gününa iajëch", XI Congreso de la Sociedad Argentina de Lingüística en la Facultad de Humanidades y Ciencias de la Universidad Nacional del Litoral: Coloquio Lenguas Indígenas sudamericanas: aspectos morfosintácticos y léxicos, Buenos Aires: CONICET, pp. 1–12 {{citation}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
- "Glottolog 5.1 - Viegas Barros, Pedro J. 2005". glottolog.org. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
- Fernández Garay, Ana; Orden, María Emilia (2008). "Palabras del sur : análisis morfológico del Günün a iájëch" (PDF). Anuario de la Facultad de Ciencias Humanas. ISSN 2314-3983.
Examples of "Puelche" used as the name:
- Moseley, Christopher; Asher, R. E.; Tait, Mary (1994), Atlas of the world's languages, London ; New York: Routledge, ISBN 978-0-415-01925-5
- Ethnologue
- Bernard, Dianala M.; Benn, Maren A. (2025). "REVITALIZATION OR RECLAMATION? REFRAMING THE RECOVERY OF INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES IN LATIN AMERICA: A HISTORICAL AND AIDRIVEN APPROACH" (PDF). International Journal of Language, Linguistics, Literature and Culture. 04 (01): 104–131. doi:10.59009/ijlllc.2025.0103.
- "Glottolog 5.1 - Puelche". glottolog.org. Retrieved 2025-04-13.
🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Indigenous peoples of the Americas, WikiProject Argentina, and WikiProject Languages have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 00:46, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Gününa Küne is the term used by the Endangered Languages Project, Intercontinental Language Series, World Atlas of Language Structures Online. Meanwhile, Omniglot mentioned Gününa Küne as an alternative to Tehuelche (Aonek’o ’á’jen) but not Puelche (Puelche is never mentioned on Omniglot). Puelche does show up in several Wikipedia-related sites. —Yuchitown (talk) 02:04, 13 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: This may need a final relist for discussions based on the evidence presented Garsh (talk) 14:31, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.