Talk:KRNV-DT

DTV error

The original author errantly transposed the DTV assignments for this station and KRXI. I corrected the info per http://radiostationworld.com/locations/united_states_of_america/nevada/tv.asp?m=ren and added info on the 2 full-powered satellites in Elko and Winnemucca...Ranma9617 07:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Circle L, Inc.

It turns out that one of the YouTube videos of KCRL-TV was in fact channel 4 owned by Circle L, Inc.. They owned it until Sunbelt purchased it in 1989. RVandres (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 16:58, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: It is a wonderful world (talk · contribs) 06:13, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Shall review :) IAWW (talk) 06:28, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Comments below :3 IAWW (talk) 06:30, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, It is a wonderful world. This one took a while... Feels like it had more issues than my usual. But I've been able to fix most of them. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 08:36, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, it may just be because I think I'm getting better at reviewing, and my new semi-automated TSI checker scans for issues quicker so I can check more refs. IAWW (talk) 14:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@Sammi Brie Replies below IAWW (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: Done. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 18:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Happy with your changes. Passing now. IAWW (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

Prose (Criteria 1a, 1b, 4) clock

Lead

It is owned by Cunningham Broadcasting, which maintains joint sales and shared services agreements (JSA/SSA) with Sinclair Broadcast Group, owner of Fox affiliate KRXI-TV (channel 11), for the provision of certain services. However, Sinclair effectively owns KRNV-DT as the majority of Cunningham's stock is owned by the family of deceased group founder Julian Smith: Most of this is unsupported by the body

I'd like to see "It is owned by Cunningham Broadcasting, which maintains joint sales and shared services agreements (JSA/SSA) with Sinclair Broadcast Group" sourced in the body

Sinclair also manages primary sports-formatted independent station and secondary MyNetworkTV affiliate KNSN-TV (channel 21) under a separate JSA with Deerfield Media.: Overdetail IMO. I think the fact that Sinclair manages KNSN is the only relevant fact.

• This sort of brutal overdetail is typical in the field. Maybe I need to be more aggressive at evaluating paragraph 1. I've trimmed some material out already. Sinclair is buying KNSN outright, so the "managed" part will soon go away. Someone should probably look at every Cunningham station and consider excising that or making it a footnote. (Sinclair plays what everyone pretty much knows is a shell game.)

I think what you have done here is really good

The three stations share studios on Vassar Street in Reno: Unsupported

• KRNV has never moved, so I don't know what to cite this to. And that studio location is already mentioned in article.

I'm happy for this to stay

but was not much of a success: This characterisation of the station's entire lifespan as not much of a success is too interpretive. I think stick more to the facts. Also the "but" contrast from the NBC affiliation info is definitely not supported

(later known as Intermountain West Communications Company, IWCC): Unsupported by the body and excessive detail for the lead IMO. Sunbelt can just be linked

comprehensive overhaul: Bit of a nitpick but "comprehensive" is a little inaccurate as some of the newscasts remained

a news/talk radio station in the Reno area: Noting that this statement had TSI issues in the body

• All changed except this.

KCRL: Circle L years

but that station never materialized because the company misrepresented its ownership to the commission, and a Zephyr Cove man, Charles E. Halstead, filed for the channel in 1956: I think the bit after the "and" is disparate enough that it should be in its own separate sentence.

As many as six: Cut this editorial

You missed this

Thanks.

but ownership never changed hands: Unsupported by source. The source would also need to support the contrasting "but".

KRNV: Sunbelt ownership

began pushing for the Cord Foundation to sell its 90 percent stake in Circle L, Inc: To Sunbelt specifically?

I like how you've rewritten this

its fiduciary duty to whom?

• To the estate

Thx for adding

Beginning in 1985, an affiliate of Sunbelt Broadcasting Company, a company of James Rogers and owners of KVBC in Las Vegas, began pushing for the Cord Foundation to sell its 90 percent stake in Circle L, Inc. It believed that the Cord Foundation's management of the station was so poor and underperforming as to not fulfill its fiduciary duty; it also filed a license challenge, seeking to force the FCC to choose it over Circle L to run channel 4:

• At least "an affiliate of Sunbelt Broadcasting Company, a company of James Rogers" is unsupported.
• The construction ("it also"...) implies the license challenge was a separate action to the "pushing", which I don't think the source supports.
  • Two parallel tracks. License challenge: they filed a competing application for channel 4. Legal dispute to force the sale: in state courts.
• I think "argued" would be better than "believed" here, since often in these legal battles people often believe different to what they actually argue.
• NOTE TO SELF: to double check the TSI of this after these issues are addressed
  • There's a new ref here. Turns out that the license challenge application was filed in '83. Here's ref copy to help in spot checking: Reno, Nev.—Washoe Broadcasting Co. seeks ch. 4; ERP: 100 kw vis., 10 kw aur., HAAT: 2,000 ft.; ant. height above ground: 968 ft. Address: 723 S. Third Street, Las Vegas 89101. Principal is owned by James E. Rogers, president (30%) and five others. It also has interest in KVBC(TV) Las Vegas and new FM's at Carson City, Nev., and Somerton, Ariz. Filed Sept. 1.

Thanks for providing the ref which I would indeed have requested. I have a couple nitpicks:

• The source doesn't say Rogers was the owner of KVBC, just that Washoe has interest in it
• The source doesn't say he was looking to take over the station KCRL-TV, but that he was trying to get control of channel 4, which is a difference

I have no issues with the rest of this paragraph

Further reworded.

on the market in February 1989, in part because Nevada law: "in part" is definitely not supported by the source. The causal connection is also not really supported.

obvious [possible] efficiencies and synergy: A bit more accurate

and 6:30 news anchor: Morning or evening? Or just cut the time as unnecessary detail

"slowly picked itself up" is editorial not supported by the source

The format proved successful enough that a Sunbelt affiliate leased out and then bought a radio station in Las Vegas, which became KVBC-FM, in 1995: Not supported. There is some hint toward it in the source, but it certainly does not fully support the statement.

This isn't quite there yet. Is Compass Communications the Sunbelt Affiliate? If so that needs to be supported. "which became KVBC-FM" is also not supported. It also doesn't support that the sale actually went through, only that it was planned.

Reworded. I think anything further is out of scope in this article. KRNV-FM and KQRT are both DYKs of mine, actually.

Can "semi-satellite stations" be linked?

Was KENV one of these semi-statellite stations? This isn't explicitly stated but I get that vibe from the sentence flow

• Yes

Could this be explicitly stated? It would make it a bit clearer.

Going to push back because "it broadcast KRNV's programming with morning news inserts for the Elko area" is basically the definition of a semi-satellite (programming + local inserts). The word "semi-satellite" would otherwise recur in consecutive sentences.

when NBC refused to renew its affiliation because Elko is assigned to the Salt Lake City TV market: I think it should be explained why this caused NBC problems (if there is a source of course)

• All I can really do with the available coverage is remind people KSL-TV exists. This was a saga (I followed it personally). There are a lot of funky variables here that really are out of scope in this article, including a 17-year sweetheart affiliation agreement (it's the longest I've ever heard of!) that outlived Jim Rogers (an NBC man if there was ever one). NBC's affiliate relations personnel apparently forgot KENV existed. So did KSL-TV. They both seemed to learn of it in about 2014 (in KSL-TV's case, when they were contacting local cable providers) and decided to let KENV run out that affiliation agreement. The TV district people really wanted to broadcast KRNV as its substitute and thereby keep the non-local programming. KSL and NBC basically used the DMA boundary to bludgeon them out of it and into a more expensive arrangement. Consider that because of the time difference and the fact that network programs air an hour later in the Pacific Time Zone, this was a substantial alteration of viewing habits with network shows airing two hours earlier, not to mention losing the Nevada news from KRNV in favor of Utah news from KSL.

Wow okay fair enough! Thanks for explaining. I agree that is out of scope.

Sinclair ownership

Sinclair could not acquire the license directly; it already owned KRXI-TV and operated KAME-TV in Reno. In addition, Reno has only six full-power stations—three too few to legally permit a duopoly: The structure is a bit off. The second sentence is an explanation of the first, but the "in addition" wording doesn't introduce an explanation. Also "only" is a bit editorial and not needed here.

• I've dropped some of this material. It would be so obvious in broadcasting that it might not be covered. I changed sources to one that more explicitly mentions what Sinclair owned and operated at the time.

Is there no sourcing on why Sunbelt sold?

• Not really, but in hindsight, Rogers was rushing to sell his estate in the final years of his life. The last stations that got sold were the ones closest to his heart: Helena (his summer home), Reno, and Las Vegas.

Oh wow! That's cute and a little sad

KTVH-DT is worth a read for that reason. It also is another example of the ways Jim Rogers was an NBC man. I can't exactly say it in wikivoice, but his threat to start a competing station with a virtual guarantee of NBC affiliation was the reason he was able to bully his way into buying KTVH.

"bladder cancer" can be linked

Rogers announced that his bladder cancer had recurred[41] before dying in June: Bit of a misplaced modifier – "before dying" reads like it modifies the bladder cancer.

Notable former on-air staff

Looks good :)

Technical information

Looks good :)

Sources clock

Health/formatting (Criterion 2a) clock

[37] is a permanent dead link so impossible to verify

• I think I've found basically the same ref.

Reliability (Criterion 2b) Y

Mostly local news, but there is some referencing to books I haven't seen before. It all seems reliable

• The annuals are basically there for really basic information. They are technically online, but I don't add new links to WRH in article space, so most newer articles cite them offline.

Spot check (Criteria 2b, 2c, 2d) clock

[2]: Y (AI)

[3]: Y (AI)

[4]: "but that station never materialized because the company misrepresented its ownership to the commission" unsupported

• There's some more material here now.

[5]: Doesn't say Cord is a Nevada state senator

• Added a ref that does.

[7, 8]: Y (AI)

[9]: The source says the FCC Examiner recommended the grant but it doesn't say the FCC fully awarded the permit. It feels like there is a difference, is this so?

• Not in the case of there being one remaining applicant. I *have* added a call to the history card reference.

[10]: Y (AI)

[14]: Y though a separate citation verifying the new name would be nice

• Dropped the KKOH reference.

[16]: Y (AI)

[18]: Y (AI)

[24]: Y (AI)

[25]: Y (AI)

[26]: Y (AI)

[27]: Y (AI)

[29]: I'm not sure why the range goes to 2000, since it is later stated they sold their radio in 1999. The source doesn't support that they used the KRNV brand at the radio station.

• Great catch. Rewording to fix both issues.

[30]: Y (AI)

[32]: EXCL Communications is never mentioned

• Wow, that's something I didn't expect. I've added a ref here.

[33]: Y (AI)

Copyvio (Criterion 2d) clock

Earwig finds nothing, I found nothing on the spot check

Scope (Criteria 3a, 3b) Y

Covers the station's lifespan

Stable (Criterion 5) Y

Media Y

Well done for finding an image!

Tags (Criterion 6a) Y

Flickr image license is correct and the logo is under the threshold of originality

Captions (Criterion 6b) Y

Suggestions (not needed for GA promotion)

It would be nice if the "television factbook" publisher metadata could be filled out, and [13] is missing "via World Radio History"

• Done.

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