Talk:John Rackham

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Three good sources.Halbared (talk) 21:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

After painstakingly going over baptismal records in Britain from the years 1650 to 1700, I have to conclude Rackham was almost certainly from Britain. Specifically the Norfolk and Suffolk region, as there are dozens and dozens of Rackhams noted in that area between 1670 and 1720 and beyond. There is even one record of a John Rackham from 1673 that could be the pirate in question and that one is recorded in Linstead Parva in Suffolk. As a result I added the English pirate claim at the top of the page. Lady Helen "Bio" Rodriguez (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's good work. I had intended to go to a library to see if I could find anything. But life has been busy recently. Halbared (talk) 21:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you get any free time by all means still look. I live in the US so my resources are mostly digitized and limited.

But I am supremely confident the Norfolk and Suffolk region is where he would be, there's very few Rackham's outside there. Lady Helen "Bio" Rodriguez (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am searching for reference of Rackham, and most, if not all describe him as an English pirate, alongside that, it seems egregiously obtuse to ignore the references to him and the 19 year stable edition of the page and not engage in chat about it while stating "iiirc" it was discussed to leave it out, when there was no discussion..Halbared (talk) 22:06, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Halbared per WP:PROVEIT, the burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with "the editor who adds or restores material". Until his nationality is cited with a reliable source, you cannot re-add it. Britannica is not a valid source in this case, since they lack a proper entry on the subject. Blockhaj (talk) 22:02, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.worldhistory.org/Calico_Jack/ is full of inaccuracies. See the flag as an obvious example.--Blockhaj (talk) 22:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-life-of-pirate-calcio-jack-rackham likewise, and also unsourced.--Blockhaj (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://csphistorical.com/tag/john-rackham/#_ftn34 does not state that he was English. It states:

The pirates responded by saying, “They were Englishmen, and desired them all to come on Board, and drink a Bowl of Punch.”[34]

Ie, they claimed to be English as to lure Englishmen over.--Blockhaj (talk) 22:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's from court records, and you saying it is wrong seems like OR. Halbared (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Me reading English language context is not OR. This is English Wikipedia. Even then, them collectively claiming to be Englishmen is not viable as a source for Rackham himself. Something like this can be used as an argument in the proper section, but not as fact. Blockhaj (talk) 23:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The latter sources are all equally dubious and full or errors. No source is given for his nationality.--Blockhaj (talk) 22:14, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is every single primary source to mention John Rackham, Anne Bonny, and Mary Read. Across 1720 and 1721.

https://jillianmolenaar.home.blog/2019/02/07/the-documentary-record/

There is no mention of his origin in any of these. In fact he says of Cuba during the fight with Barnet, which is open to interpretation. All claims of birth in Britain or dates of birth are years if not centuries after 1720. Lady Helen "Bio" Rodriguez (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lady Helen "Bio" Rodriguez concluding that Rackham was English ir WP:OR, and thus should be avoided in the ingress. It could have its own segment in the article. Blockhaj (talk) 01:41, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]