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@Afrowriter and @WikiOriginal-9: This person is notable for a single crime, the Killing of Cinthia Munguia. Wikipedia does not have an article about her killing, so how can this criminal be considered notable if the killing he committed is not considered worthy of writing about? Everything written about this person fleeing justice, being put on the FBI most wanted list, his arrest and death in custody stems from the killing he committed, and he is only notable because of it. However, the article devotes a total of six sentences, including one in the lead, to that killing. Also, since he was never convicted of murder, Wikipedia's threshold for calling this killing a murder, which is a conviction, has not been reached. As a living person who has been accused of a crime is presumed innocent until found guilty and convicted, this person should still be presumed innocent at the time of his death and the article be written accordingly. When a person is notable in such circumstances, it is usual for Wikipedia articles to be written about the killing, not be a partial biography about the person who committed it. See guidelines WP:CRIME, WP:BIO1E, WP:BLPCRIME and WP:KILLINGS. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If the crime is not notable, how can he be notable when he is a fugitive because of it? The coverage might be about him being a fugitive, but it starts with the crime, so any coverage about him being wanted for the crime is also coverage about the crime and apprehending its suspect. That makes the crime notable too, in my opinion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:49, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameron Dewe "I have seen articles about individuals who are considered notable for a single crime. In this case, it's important to note that he was actually captured and was about to be taken to court, but unfortunately, he died while in custody. That being said, he was also a confirmed member of a criminal organization known for multiple murders and kidnappings — which is the reason he was placed on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list for more than Five Years." Afro📢Talk!22:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but there are also many articles about single crimes where the perpetrator does not have their own article, but the crime does. I am not doubting the veracity of this article, but its emphasis. It places undue weight on the person who commited the crime, and not enough on the victim or their relationship. When were they married? Were they married? When did they become estranged? The article doesn't say. It doesn't even explore this aspect of the crime. Yes, he might have been a gang member, but none of his other criminal history is mentioned. Was he ever arrested for other crimes? The article doesn't say. A biography is meant to be a well-rounded summary of a person's public life. This person was a low-profile individual, so low-profile that he was a fugitive for five years before he was apprehended. Yes, he is probably notable enough to be written about on Wikipedia, but why does this article need to be a biography, only focussed on him? If one expands the scope of the article to also be about the crime(s) he committed, it becomes a more informative article and one is not so constrained by the requirements of writing a biography. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 22:59, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cameron Dewe Most of the sources already cover the points you mentioned, including details about how she left him for another man and the circumstances that led to the killing. The article may be expanded in due time, but that does not diminish the subject’s notability or relevance for inclusion on Wikipedia. Afro📢Talk!23:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So if those facts are already mentioned in the sources, why are they not mentioned in the article? Surely what happened in the subjects marriage are crucial to his state of mind before the murder. As I said, a biography is meant to be a well-rounded summary of the whole of a person's life, so it should explore his life before the crime he is notable for being a fugitive from, as well as after it. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
