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Hi Wikipedia colleagues, Thanks for the seriees of clear comments on this article. I have now made a substantial upgrade, so that there are many secondary references. I've also made efforts to ensure that a large majority of the works mentioned are online accessible: but naturally, unless we want to reference LibGen (!), a changing feast at best but currently containing many of Smith's works, then books and cds are often behind paywalls/need to be borrowed from a library or purchased. You would also be aware that like Flash, .mov is no longer a viable web format, and so cumulatively, many web works are currently non functional. Hence in those cases I have provided a link to some form of replacement instead of the original now non-functional link: in several cases, those are links to what you Wikipedia folks call a 'primary' source, the website of an ensemble of which Smith is a member. I have also more extensively adopted the 'pyramid' mode of presentation, which was already present to a fair degree previously. I'd like to recap some points I have made before. The motivation for providing this article is given by Deena Larsen's wiki project that seeks to represent significant electronic literature women, and Smith's name appears there together with a request by the ELO itself (electronic literature organisation) on its own site that her work novelling receive an entry. Drmetagroove (talk) 03:42, 11 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this draft article. We do indeed have many electronic literature writers, including Hazel Smith, whom we feel are notable. Electronic literature is a difficult field for traditional Wikipedia notability, as writings are often in obsolete programs, meaning they can not be studied or reviewed. And our reviews are often in journals or word presses that are important in our field but not as recognizable as the New York Times. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For example, Motions & Pieces Of Herself – E-Literature Studies is a good source, but is in Word Press and therefore gets flagged. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Drmetagroove,
We can improve this article a great deal. We need specifics about what reviewers said about Hazel Smith--not in a lot of detail, but enough for readers to understand the importance of her work and contributions. For example, we have "Smith's early poetry in the 80s and 90s was centered on formal and linguistic experimentation which was aligned with British 'linguistically innovative poetry' with the citation of a book I don't have access to right now: Robert Sheppard, The Poetry of Saying: British Poetry and its Discontents, 1950-2000, Liverpool University Press, 2005, Chapter 6, https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/poetry-of-saying/linguistically-innovative-poetry-19782000/9676B326B0B9A146647A618412874137.
Can you go back to this book, cite the page and then very succinctly (like 15 words or less) summarize what was said? For example, "Sheppard listed Hazel Smith, particularly WORK X as a notable example of British 'linguistically innovative poetry" for her novel use of a hornpipe jig in the middle of the stanza". LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 02:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, can you go back through and make each citation to Wikipedia a link instead? Please read how to create Wikipedia links at the link tool. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 03:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And we need citations for every fact. Where did we get "This emphasis on formal experimentation has continued into in her later work but is accompanied by a stronger emphasis on social, political and psychological themes."? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 03:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this really helpful feedback, @LoveElectronicLiterature. I made some edits to the first section, but it would be helpful, @Drmetagroove, if you could follow @LoveElectronicLiterature's suggestions to write what other people say about Hazel Smith. For instance you list some poetry collections of hers and you reference three reviews of each of them - that's great (and btw it show's she's notable per WP:AUTHOR) but it would be better if you wrote a sentence or two about each of the books based on what the reviews say about them. And as one of the reviewers who declined the article draft said, don't include the very long lists of everything she ever published. Just a few of the more notable ones. Thanks so much for all the work you've put into the article!! Lijil (talk) 14:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Automatic references?

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@Peaceray I think the references are done incorrectly here, but I always use the citation manager (And still get my titles messed up. Could you check to see what format these references are in? Thanks!!! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will have a look. Peaceray (talk) 17:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
 Done @LoveElectronicLiterature: Hi, I went through & made about 40 edits. The vast majority were putting citations in citation templates or adding parameters. I used a combination of WorldCat, Citer, & the Internet Archive, among other things, to help improve the citations. The article can now probably be used as an example on how to use citations & what to put into them. Peaceray (talk) 15:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is fantastic11 thank you!!!! We will now use this article as an example for citations. I'll put that link on WP:ELIT! LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please expand references

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I can not access this work. Can you summarize these as well to describe her work in an objective tone? Joy Wallace, "Flagging down the flâneuse in Hazel Smith's City Poems" was published in the volume Literature as Translation, Translation as Literature, James Gourley and Christopher Conti (eds.), Cambridge Scholars Press, 2014, pp.67-80. Also provide ISBNs for these references. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you get this reference as well?
Wilkinson, J. (2016). 'Other points of view': Hazel Smith’s Word Migrants. TEXT, 20(2). Retrieved from http://textjournal.com.au/oct16/wilkinson_rev.htm LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:26, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't access the flaneuse article either. But I found this article in Sydney Review of Books: https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/reviews/discomfort-enacted-in-writing-word-migrants-by-hazel-smith Lijil (talk) 14:35, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am removing this citation as I found it but I don't think it is Hazel Smith?
Kerry Leves, "I still believe in Jeffrey Hunter" : New Poetry, 2001, Overland, vol. 164, pp.113-115 https://overland.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/164-2001.pdf LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:46, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article draft accepted but still needs more work

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I accepted the draft, because the subject is clearly notable per WP:AUTHOR: several of her poetry collections have been reviewed multiple times (references are in the article draft as it stands now but it could be emphasised more and it would be useful if we had a bit of description of the poetry collections and what reviewers said about them. In addition she has written/co-edited academic books that have been cited hundreds of times. She also meets criteria 3 of WP:NPROF as she was just elected a fellow of the Royal Society of New South Wales. However as noted in the discussion above the article still needs work. The long list of (all of?) her publications should be radically shortened to just include a few of her most important works, and it would be good to have descriptions of what reviewers actually say about her books. See @LoveElectronicLiterature's useful feedback above. Lijil (talk) 14:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I am working on that. I was going to move all of those bullet lists to the talk page after I expanded on the few in the sections. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:45, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
=== Selected publications ===
  • Smith, Hazel. 1986. Threely, Peterborough, Spectacular Diseases Imprint. (Chapbook)
  • Smith, Hazel, Sieglinde Karl and Graham Jones. 1990. TranceFIGUREd Spirit, Sydney/London, Soma Publishing (publication accompanying a gallery installation).
  • Smith, Hazel. 1991. Abstractly Represented: Poems and Performance Texts 1982-1990, Sydney, Butterfly Books.
  • Hamilton, Kate, Sieglinde Karl, Ron Nagorcka, Hazel Smith. 1996. Secret Places, Launceston, Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery. (Publication accompanying installation).
  • Smith, Hazel. 1994. Poet Without Language, CD, Sydney, Rufus Records, RF005.
  • Smith, Hazel. 1994. "Simultaneity", Windows in Time, Tall Poppies, TP039, Sydney.
  • Smith, Hazel and Dean, Roger. 1996. Nuraghic Echoes, CD, Rufus Records, RF025.
  • Dean, Roger and Smith, Hazel. 1997. "Lowering The Sky", sound recording on CD, Andrew Levy and Bob Harrison, (eds.) Crayon: Festschrift for Jackson Mac Low, New York, Crayon. Also recorded on Acouslytic, Tall Poppies Records, TP153, Sydney.
  • Smith, Hazel. 2000. Keys Round Her Tongue: short prose, poetry and performance texts, Soma Publications, Sydney.
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean. 2004. "the writer, the performer, the program, the madwoman", in How2.[1]
  • Smith, Hazel. 2008. The Erotics of Geography, poetry, performance texts, new media works, Tinfish Press, Kaneohe, Hawaii (with CD-Rom)
  • Smith, Hazel. 2016. Word Migrants, Giramondo Publishing, Sydney.
  • Smith, Hazel. 2022. Ecliptical, ES-Press, Spineless Wonders, Sydney.
  • Smith, Hazel and Sieglinde Karl-Spence, 2024. Heimlich Unheimlich, Apothecary Archive, Sydney.
=== Creative work: selected performance works ===
  • Smith, Hazel, Roger Dean and Greg White. 2006. "The Space of History", in PennSound.[2]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean. 2007. "Mid-Air Conversations," performance work, originally published as .mov, in Pennsound .[3]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2008, "Ubasuteyama" in Music of the Spirits, curated by Michael Atherton and Bruce Crossman, Wirripang, CD, Wirr 011.
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2008. "Minimal", in How2.[4]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2011. "Snowtalking" in SoundsRite Vol. 3.[5]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2012. "Live Music, Dead Bodies", in Liminalities,[6]
  • Smith Hazel, Roger Dean, Greg White, 2013. "Disappearing", in Electronic Overland[7]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2014. "Bird Migrants", Soundproof, Australian Broadcasting Corporation[8]
  • Hazel Smith and Roger Dean, 2015. "The Blue Bus" on History Goes Everywhere, the austraLYSIS Electroband, CD, Tall Poppies, TP 234.
  • Smith, Hazel, 2024. "Unbalancing" on Dualling, austraLYSIS, Earshift CD, EAR085 .[9]
=== Creative work: Selected Multimedia works ===
  • Smith, Hazel, Roger Dean and Greg White, 1998. "Wordstuffs: the city and the body", Hypermedia installation for the Australian Film Commission's Stuff-art website[10]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2003. "The Egg The Cart The Horse The Chicken", Originally published in InfLect[11]
  • Dean, Roger, Brewster, Anne and Smith Hazel, 2004. "soundAFFECTs", Originally published TEXT, Vol. 8, No. 2.[12]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2008. "Time, the Magician",in How2[13]
  • Dean, Roger, Anne Brewster, Hazel Smith, 2008. "Prosethetic Memories", soundsRite, 2009[14]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2010. "Instabilities 2" originally in Drunken Boat 12[15]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean, 2010. Clay Conversations originally published in Scan: Journal of Media Arts Culture. In 2012 published in Hyperrhiz 09[16]
  • Luers, Will, Roger Dean and Hazel Smith, 2013. Film of Sound. Cordite Poetry Review[17]
  • Smith, Hazel, Will Luers, Roger Dean, 2014. motions, Published in the Electronic Literature Collection 3[18]
  • Luers, Will, Hazel Smith and Roger Dean, 2016, novelling, originally published Dublin: New Binary Press[19]
  • Dean, Roger and Hazel Smith, 2018. The Character Thinks Ahead[20]
  • Smith, Hazel and Roger Dean. 2020. "The Lips are Different", The Digital Review[21]
  • Luers,Will and Hazel Smith and Roger Dean, 2022. "Dolphins in the Reservoir", in The New River[22]
=== Academic research: books ===
  • Smith, Hazel and Dean, Roger T., 1997. Improvisation, Hypermedia and the Arts Since 1945, London and New York, Harwood Academic, now Routledge. (334 pages.)
  • Smith, Hazel, 2000. Hyperscapes in the Poetry of Frank O'Hara: difference, homosexuality, topography, Liverpool, Liverpool University Press. (230 pages). Reviewed[23]).
  • Smith, Hazel, 2005. The Writing Experiment: strategies for innovative creative writing, Allen and Unwin, Sydney. (288 pages)
  • Smith, Hazel and Dean, Roger T., 2009. (eds.) Practice-led Research, Research-led Practice in the Creative Arts, Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press. (278 pages.)
  • Smith, Hazel, 2016. The Contemporary Literature-Music Relationship: intermedia, voice, technology, cross-cultural exchange, New York and London, Routledge (202 pages)
LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 14:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Stellawisdom I consolidated these sentences and removed my earlier flag for citation needed. As I have expanded on the references for her specific works, I believe that these are now good as introductory sentences without need for citations? I would love your opinions as I learn how to write these! Thanks!
Smith's early poetry in the 80s and 90s was centered on formal and linguistic experimentation which was aligned with British "linguistically innovative poetry" and American 'language poetry' as well as other modernist, postmodernist and lyric poetry traditions. This emphasis on formal experimentation has continued into in her later work but is accompanied by a stronger emphasis on social, political and psychological themes. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Hazel Smith - Poetry and Poetics is not the best citation for that 1992 nomination, but since that was before the internet, this is the best I can come up with? LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can not access Sonia Mycak, "Nuraghic Echoes: Echoes of the Self", Australian Women's Book Review, Vol.9.1, 1997, pp. 30-31. I left this in as a reference, but I am not sure what to do about it. LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Zoe Skoulding wrote a critical analysis of the 1997-8 multimedia collaboration with Dean and Greg White, "The City and the Body" in Contemporary Women's Poetry and Urban Space: Experimental Cities, Palgrave, 2013, pp. 202-205.
and
Linda Kouvaras wrote a critical analysis of Smith's collaboration "Mid-Air Conversations" in Loading the Silence: Australian Sound Art in the Post-Digital Age, Ashgate, 2013 LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.asu.edu/pipercwcenter/how2journal/archive/online_archive/v2_2_2004/current/multimedia/smith.htm . Also available at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksHText.html
  2. ^ https://writing.upenn.edu/pennsound/x/Smith-Dean.php . Newer link for this piece at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksHText.html
  3. ^ New link for this piece: http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksHText.html
  4. ^ http://www.asu.edu/pipercwcenter/how2journal/vol_3_no_2/new_media/smith_dean/smith_dean.html Also available at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksHText.html
  5. ^ "Snowtalking".
  6. ^ vol. 8. No 4. http://liminalities.net/8-4/livemusic.html
  7. ^ "Poem | Hazel Smith, Roger Dean and Greg White".
  8. ^ "Bird Migrants". Australian Broadcasting Corporation. 9 November 2014.
  9. ^ Also available here: https://australysis.bandcamp.com/track/unbalancing-serial-dualling-1
  10. ^ This was originally on the ABC website. Two traversals of this piece are available at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  11. ^ A video traversal of this piece is available at https://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/hearsr-audio/eggsite/theegg/eggfinalv2.html
  12. ^ Now available at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  13. ^ Now available at http://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  14. ^ "Prosethetic memories info".
  15. ^ Can be seen at https://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  16. ^ Smith, Hazel; Still, Joanna; Dean, Roger (2012). "Clay Conversations". Hyperrhiz: New Media Cultures (9): 1. doi:10.20415/hyp/009.g01.
  17. ^ Now viewable at https://vimeo.com/32688384 and https://m.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  18. ^ "Electronic Literature Collection - Volume 3".
  19. ^ (Binary Press website no longer extant; Republished Electronic Literature Collection, vol. 4, Kathi Inman Berens, John T Murray, Lyle Skains, Rui Torres, Mia Zamora (eds.) https://collection.eliterature.org/4/novelling
  20. ^ Leonardo, vol. 51, no. 5, multimedia work published as supplementary material to the article "The Character Thinks Ahead: Creative Writing with Deep Learning Nets and Its Stylistic Assessment". Now also available at https://www.australysis.com/hear-see-read/aLYS-works/worksNewM.html
  21. ^ https://thedigitalreview.com/issue00/lips-are-different/index.html, creative work accompanying article.
  22. ^ https://thenewriver.us/dolphins/ and also, Text, Special Issue: Digital Realism https://textjournal.scholasticahq.com/article/57766-_digital-realism_-creative-works
  23. ^ Sara Lundquist, Hyperscapes in the Poetry of Frank O'Hara: Difference/Homosexuality/Topography and The Woman in the Red Dress:Gender, Space and Reading, American Literature, Volume 75, No. 4, 2003, Duke University Press, pp.877-879: https://doi.org/10.1215/00029831-75-4-877

Award references?

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I did a google search and did not find award references, but often shortlists are not on websites? Where could I look? Thanks @Stellawisdom LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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